FrankWest
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Frank: Where are you located.?? There may be a "barner" close by who might be willing to lend a hand.
Paul in CT
Pa, downingtown
I planned to check out and rebuild the breakes anyway before I operate the car.
Frank: Where are you located.?? There may be a "barner" close by who might be willing to lend a hand.
Paul in CT
The issue seams to be.... if i am reading correctly, you have a 4 cylinder in a 33 car? I do not know 33's. I did drop the pan on my 32 model B. It does hang up until you turn the wheel all the way to the left, which move the steering rods further out. It dropped on the floor when I moved the wheel.
You need people who know the 33. did it still come with a 4 banger?
Frank you are working on things that could be potentially dangerous to yourself and others. If your mechanical knowledge is such that you do not know that those rods have nothing to do with steering and that Ford did not wire springs to things then you really should get some help from someone knowledge about these years of cars. This is not to criticize, everyone has to learn, but the parts of the car you are working on needs someone with this knowledge to help and oversee what is going on.
Thanks for you help!The four in a '33 is further back in the chassis relative to the V-8s location. As a result, you need to drop the back of the front axle wishbone to create enough room for the oil pan to clear the flywheel and then slid forward to "drop on the floor"
Thanks,, I'll try not to hurt myself.
I guess I should not even try to change the oil on this car until I learn where every nut and bolt goes. I know enough not to just start taking things apart.....That would be dangerious! Thanks for nothing!
I don't usually like to make comments or judgements like this, BUT...I have to agree with all the posts that expressed concern about your ability to do this work yourself and your personal safety while trying to do this work. Then to come back with sarcastic remarks and in one post saying you were talked in to removing this oil pan by other members here, tells me you are unappreciative of the time and help folks here are trying to give you.
I would suggest a good start would be to call parts by a name that is commonly used. I have never heard the term Y bar. It is a radius rod and sometimes called the wishbone or bones for short. This has been pointed out several times and yet you refer to is as a Y bar. If you are wanting to learn, that would be a start. The jack stand question has be addressed on this thread several times. You can not take the radius rod loose without jack stands under the FRAME and at least some of the weight off of the front axle.Listen......Excuse me for trying to learn about my car!
I was not able to learn everything before I began what was supposed to be a simple task according to the forum.
You should state a caution on this message board that only
Experts need ask questions! Everyone else stay away!!!
I don't usually like to make comments or judgements like this, BUT...I have to agree with all the posts that expressed concern about your ability to do this work yourself and your personal safety while trying to do this work. Then to come back with sarcastic remarks and in one post saying you were talked in to removing this oil pan by other members here tells me you are unappreciative of the time and help folks here are trying to give you.
The four in a '33 is further back in the chassis relative to the V-8s location. As a result, you need to drop the back of the front axle wishbone to create enough room for the oil pan to clear the flywheel and then slid forward to "drop on the floor"
Thanks, great advice!Hi Frank, Im just wondering if the pan really needs to be taken out. If the oil wont drain out and I presume oil is showing on the dip stick, then a piece of wire could be wiggled around in the pan drain hole to clear a path for it to drain. I would fill engine with some new oil and just get it started a see how she goes. You have a great original old ford so you could do just a bare minimum of repairs to just get it going at this stage to establish what is OK and what is not. Back in the day various aftermarket springs and kits were available and fitted to the four brake rods to stop them from rattling and making annoying noise. You could remove those springs and see what transpires. The underneath photo you posted is in a book and not of your car. The horizontal shaft shown which connects to the brake rod levers in that picture has the return spring wrapped around it for the brake rods. Just have a very close up look at that spring to check that it is not broken. If it is broken that could be another explanation why those two other springs were added to return the brake rods. When the brake pedal is depressed those four rods are PULLED to bring the brakes on, they are not Pushed. In the USA there were not very many four cylinder fords sold in 1933 & 1934. But other countries such as Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, South America, England sold many more by comparison. Your car is moderately rare today but that was not always the case. A few 33-34 4 cylinder cars exist today here in Australia. Keep plodding along Frank and you will learn along the way and get it done. Take tour time. Regards, Kevin.
The four in a '33 is further back in the chassis relative to the V-8s location. As a result, you need to drop the back of the front axle wishbone to create enough room for the oil pan to clear the flywheel and then slid forward to "drop on the floor"
Frank: If the B pan is anything like an A pan, there's a windage tray (?) above the bottom of the pan. The A holds 1/2 to 1 qt of oil that doesn't get drained when the plug is removed. Depending on how you add the kerosene or whatever you plan to use some may get into this tray and remain there and when you add new oil it 's possible it will be thinned down. Not good.
Disconnect the "wishbone" (what you've been calling a Y), force it down and remove the pan and do it right. If not you're going to have fun trying to install new gaskets and probably end up with a leak. JMO FWIW
Paul in CT
Thanks for your help and kind words.Hi Frank, Im just wondering if the pan really needs to be taken out. If the oil wont drain out and I presume oil is showing on the dip stick, then a piece of wire could be wiggled around in the pan drain hole to clear a path for it to drain. I would fill engine with some new oil and just get it started a see how she goes. You have a great original old ford so you could do just a bare minimum of repairs to just get it going at this stage to establish what is OK and what is not. Back in the day various aftermarket springs and kits were available and fitted to the four brake rods to stop them from rattling and making annoying noise. You could remove those springs and see what transpires. The underneath photo you posted is in a book and not of your car. The horizontal shaft shown which connects to the brake rod levers in that picture has the return spring wrapped around it for the brake rods. Just have a very close up look at that spring to check that it is not broken. If it is broken that could be another explanation why those two other springs were added to return the brake rods. When the brake pedal is depressed those four rods are PULLED to bring the brakes on, they are not Pushed. In the USA there were not very many four cylinder fords sold in 1933 & 1934. But other countries such as Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, South America, England sold many more by comparison. Your car is moderately rare today but that was not always the case. A few 33-34 4 cylinder cars exist today here in Australia. Keep plodding along Frank and you will learn along the way and get it done. Take tour time. Regards, Kevin.
Thanks for your help and kind words.
All I wanted to do was to make sure the oil would flow through my engine and oil pump. I did not want to start taking the car apart. I plan to learn about each system and the consider what needs to be done, if anything.
Personally some of the comments on this board have gotten me scared about loosing the wishbone. I done want the car to fall on me.
If i had to dismantle something to make clearance for the pan I would rather take of one end of the front end tie rod, at least here nothing will come crashing down on me. I purchased the book Ford V8 1932 to 1936 Engine & Chassis Repair Manual perhaps that will help.