What Temperature?

jeepguy1948

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I now have a thermostat installed and am debating with myself about what temperature t’stat I should install. I know that typically 160 degree t’stats are commonly used but I think possibly more in the 180-190 range might be best.
 
why do you need a thermostat?

but if you are putting a thermostat in it go high. not low.

personally i have never had a thermostat in a stock model A and have not had a boiling issue.
 
It should be possible to make new 180° thermostats. The ones Snyder's sold were generic thermostats that had been welded to a 1" length of 2" wide, 1/16" thick stainless steel pipe. They also had a hole drilled in them.

If you could find a generic thermostat with a 2.0" flange width, you could make one yourself. I don't know what part number that would be, but maybe someone else on the forum does.
 
why do you need a thermostat?

but if you are putting a thermostat in it go high. not low.

personally i have never had a thermostat in a stock model A and have not had a boiling issue.

A thermostat is not going to prevent your engine from boiling over, it is only there to warm up the engine faster.
 
A thermostat is not going to prevent your engine from boiling over, it is only there to warm up the engine faster.


AGREE - as well as maintaining the desired temperature in normal/cool/cold conditions. It should open to prevent overheating but can't override other conditions that may cause it.

Ekler's shows them in stock (160's). Also on eBay (Battlefield).




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Acid in the oil is formed by water from combustion and combustion products leaking past the rings. Moisture also gets into the crankcase by the engine breathing in and out with changes in temperature. Modern engines run hot (over 200 F) to evaporate the water and extend the engine life. An oil filter will not filter out the acid. The oil in the Model A engine runs too cold to effectively evaporate the water. A thermostat helps but frequent oil changes helps more.

Drill the hole in the thermostat out to 1/4 inch so that it can sense the coolant temperature. This prevents surges in hot coolant from overwhelming the radiator.
 
why do you need a thermostat?

but if you are putting a thermostat in it go high. not low.

personally i have never had a thermostat in a stock model A and have not had a boiling issue.

A thermostat is not going to prevent your engine from boiling over, it is only there to warm up the engine faster.


My advice is to skip installing any Thermostat. At some point down the road, it is going to fail, ...and the stress/damage that it will potentially cause you is not worth any benefit you might have felt. If you want to quickly warm the engine, then just after starting only slightly advance the Spark Lever during initial warm-up. The retarded ignition timing will allow the temps to rise quickly. Allow the engine to operate at a fast idle with the ignition timing retarded and you will see the coolant boil in just a few moments. That likely out-performs what any Thermostat can do.
 
Acid in the oil is formed by water from combustion and combustion products leaking past the rings. Moisture also gets into the crankcase by the engine breathing in and out with changes in temperature. Modern engines run hot (over 200 F) to evaporate the water and extend the engine life. An oil filter will not filter out the acid. The oil in the Model A engine runs too cold to effectively evaporate the water. A thermostat helps but frequent oil changes helps more.

Drill the hole in the thermostat out to 1/4 inch so that it can sense the coolant temperature. This prevents surges in hot coolant from overwhelming the radiator.

Amen! Also engines run more efficiently at 180, or higher, than they do at 160.
 
An assumption has been made by some that I am installing a thermostat to improve cooling, that is not the case. I am installing a thermostat for the purpose a thermostat is intended for, that being to keep the engine operating at a controlled temperature (colder isn’t always better).
 
I don't now how many T'stats I have bought over the years that are now siotting in a box, useless. I have bought both 160° and 180° ones and they all open way too early, in some cases as early as 140°.
That all leads me to wonder "When will the vendors accept responsibility for their claims?"
 
Why have a thermostat unless you need quick warm-up times? It does not make the engine run cooler. The extra minute or two in warm up time does not seem worth the effort on a car that is not primary transportation. Am I missing something?
 
Why have a thermostat unless you need quick warm-up times? It does not make the engine run cooler. The extra minute or two in warm up time does not seem worth the effort on a car that is not primary transportation. Am I missing something?

Why? When driving in very cool or cold weather, if you have a decent radiator, the engine never gets up to a good operating temperature, to warm up the oil, drive moisture out of the crankcase, etc.

Back in the Model A era, with no thermostat, they used a piece of fiberboard that blocked the lower 1/2 or 1/3rd of the radiator, to get the engine to run warmer. Often called a WinterGuard, you can find old ones on fleaBay. Oil companies, garages, etc., put advertising on them.

I take a piece of black plastic corrugated sign board and slip it between the radiator and the radiator shell in front, covering about 1/3rd of the fins at the bottom. It hangs from the headlight bar with 2 small strips of velcro. That does just fine for me in the winter. I don't seem to have a picture of it installed on the car here on my computer; I'll go take one later and post it.

When working on the car in the summer, to speed warm up in my driveway, I will slip that plastic winter guard in for 5 or 10 minutes to reduce warm up time, then pull it out.

It's not automatic like a thermostat, but it works. If the engine gets too hot, you can stop and remove it in a minute or less (never happened to me in the winter).

Henry did not put any form of bypass in the cooling system to be using a thermostat, to allow water to circulate through the block when the thermostat was closed, so that the block warms up uniformly (as is done on every engine that I have ever seen that was designed to use a thermostat).

I do not believe that it is good for the engine to have the coolant trapped in the engine by a closed thermostat until it is warm enough to open the thermostat. Then the thermostat opens and a slug of cold coolant rushes into the engine, suddenly cooling it down (especially in winter).

Then the thermostat closes because of the colder coolant hits it. Then it opens again as warmer coolant goes through it. Temperatures swing up and down until the thermostat stabilizes in the middle spot. I do not believe this is good for the engine. That is why engine designers put in the coolant bypass when they added a thermostat. (Some cars used the heater core as the bypass. It had coolant flowing through it all the time, even when heat was not called for.)

Henry's original design with no thermostat results in slow, uniform warming of the coolant and the block. With a Winter Guard it warms a bit faster. I think the old guy knew what he was doing.

Instead of fabricating a thermostat, fabricate a Winter Guard.
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My radiator cools too well ! The engine wouldn’t get over 150*F . Change over too antifreeze ( yes antifreeze will make your car run hotter ) and a 160*F thermostat and now it runs 175-180*F
 
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