Thermostats

Interesting. Perhaps the lower temps are one of the resons flatties built up so much sludge (along with poor oil-changing habits of course.)
Flatjack9 I think I'll try and aim for that myself.
 
Bassman I find that 165 to 185 is the ideal temperature. I think sludge is a thing of the past with the modern oils. No sludge at all in my engine in 110,000 miles. This was with Castol 20/50. Cnanged brands on the last oil change. G.M.
 
The Table shows Part#78 8575-B bi-metal type with a 154-159* opening. I cleaned up and tested the original bi-metal stats in my 1940 Tonner and they were fully open at 160* which agrees with the Table and which supports your observation that the values indicated on that table are in line with Ford's design. I've been using these stats for 5 years with a periodic check of water temps using a Raytek IR thermometer and have found the highest engine temp to be 182* pulling a load in slow moving traffic. The Tonner has a fan shroud, Skip's pumps and a 4# cap.
 
so where do you find the old Prestone 330-160 degree thermostats that were recommended for the 8BA?
 
Bassman I find that 165 to 185 is the ideal temperature. I think sludge is a thing of the past with the modern oils. No sludge at all in my engine in 110,000 miles. This was with Castol 20/50. Cnanged brands on the last oil change. G.M.
Thanks GM. I guess I'm in the ballpark then.
 
I have 180s in three flatties.
I've tried lower temp ones but the 180s make the heater work better.
you got that right Bob,160 dont give much heat,in fact on 36 type in the hose their either 155 or 175. The higher ones give more heat and must be placed AFTER the heater TAP off. ken ct.
 
The 32 to 48 stats are in the hoses, the 49 to 53 stats are in the heads. Bob Shewman gadgiteer@aol.com has the 180 stats specialy modified for the 32 to 48 Fords for $50.00 a set including shipping and the 49 to 53s for $40.00 a set including shipping. He has a limited amount in stock. G.M.
 
I have one of those infra-red thermometers (I think that's what it is).
They all run about 175-185 measured near the outlet in the head.
One's an 8BA with all the 59A stuff on the outside.
Same temp.
 
Bob the laser pointed thermometer like you have is exactly what is needed to find and pin point heat problems. Your readings are right in the ideal range. I have several and just bought another brand new Raytec laser thermometer still in the box on ebay last week for $12.00. You also took the readings in the only really important temperature spot on the engine. You can also use it to pin point hot spots such as brakes and other places subject to heat. On the 32 to 36 engines on the water pump outets, the 37 to 48s, the metal just below the radiator hose at the center of the head and the 49 to 53s on the goose neck. I would say hold the gun about 12 to 14"s away at the same angle and hit the close to the same spot each time you take a reading. The reading can vary if not taken as described above. For the few that may not know it the water jackets on both sides are not connectected in the engine so you need the temperature of each side. The radiator temperature is both sides mixed. Both sides should be within a few degrees of each other. With 180 stats down here in 85 degree outside temperatures I see 178 to 182 every time I check it. Now keep in mind thermostats have NOTHING to do with cooling an engine, only heating it and keeping it at the thermostat rateing. In this case we are talking 180 degrees. If it's cooler outside the stats will stay closed and open when the water in the engine gets to 180 the stat opens. The stats will close when cooler air through the radiator cools the water going back through the engine and open as the water heats back up. I put a digital dash in my old GMC motor home which were 160s. One cool night going through the hills of Va. The heater would put out cold air going down hill and warm air going up hill as more power heated the engine more. Once the stat opens in hot weather there is no cold air to cool the water and close the stat, it just stays open and won't close until the water temperature drops below 180. It won't drop below 180 in towns or stop and go traffic it just keeps going up. The hotter the outside temperature the the higher it go's. With a good cooling system it shouldn't go much over 200 and as soon as you get moveing 30 MPH or more for a 1/2 mile the water temp should come back down to the 180 stat temp. The forced air through the radiator from forward motion is what cools it once moveing. Going into a head wind will cool faster than with a tail wind even though it takes more power to "fight" the wind. The poor stock fan blades and the way air is directed through the radiator is why it heated in traffic. A better fan blade will help some and a better blade with a shroud will completely solve the temperature rise in traffic. I have this set up along with Skips pumps in a 39 pick up and it never gets over 180 in traffic and comes back to 170 with no stats on hot days. If I had stats in this truck it would pretty much stay glued on 180 all the time. G.M.
 
The only early style (32-6) stats I have seen are mounted in the upper hoses. Even the Ford supplied stats. Some near the pumps and some attached to the bottom of the radiator necks.
 
Terry the 32-36 and the 37 to 48 hoses are the only place stats can be installed and not restrict the fow of coolant. Any restriction causes higher temperatures because it reduces the flow through the radiator. The hoses on 32 to 48 Fords all have a 1-3/4" IDs and the old stats that you described were 1-3/4" OD and had almost no restriction of the flow. Over the years others and myself tried adapting modern stats to fit down in the head outlet necks of 37 to 48 engines and into the outlets of the 32 to 36 water pumps. These outlets have an ID of between 1-1/4" and 1-3/16" where the stats sit in. The type of stats that fit in this confined space are small and have an flow opening of about 1" which resticts the flow to much. Sure they will work at 50 degree outside temperatures but not at 75 or 80 plus. I stated before I even drilled 8-.140 holes in the flanges of both stats to help increase flow and still they ran real hot when it got hot outside. These new stats I just tested for Bob Shewman gadgiteer@aol.com and will continue to use are 1-3/4" OD and fit in the 32 to 48 hoses and do not restrict the flow any noticeable amount and holds my temperature right on 180. I realy hardly need stats in Florida but the few days when it's in the 60's my temperature won't get over 150 and I like it at least 165. G.M.
 
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