Radiator frame mount spring?

[56sedandelivery]

So got the rubber spacers for the radiator mount and now looking at it, it calls for a spring to go on there also. I either misplaced them when taking apart or who know what. Anyway anyone know where I can get these springs? Looked thru all the usual parts places with no luck. If not is there something I can use in place of them? I say they are 1.52 inches long but do not give the diameter. I assume they are there to give the radiator some movement. see the circles item in pic. It is part number B 8130. Thanks

 

[KULTULZ]

Confusing isn't it?

FORD dropped the ball in cataloging here.

Look at this - https://mirroexter.com/b-8130-ss

It should work ...

 

[Daves55Sedan]

Actually, there are two little springs (although they are only showing one in the shop manual illustration). Once the rubber pad is placed upon the front crossmember, you can then put the radiator support bracket in place. The bottom of the support bracket sits on that rubber pad. The support bracket has two long studs on the back side of it. Those studs go through two holes on the backside of the crossmember bracket. Then you slide the little springs up into those studs and install washers and castle-nuts on those studs.
The rubber pad and springs allow for a little bit of movement of the whole doghouse with relation to the car frame.
If you put a short piece of pipe or tubing in place of the springs, you would convert it to a rigid installation. I don't know if that would cause problems or not.
I haven't seen the springs reproduced anywhere, but if you have one, you might be able to go to a big hardware store and find a similar one to replace them.

 

[OLDMANKOHOUT]

1909-48 Springs only. Sold as a pair. Always use the pads and springs when installing your radiator. These allow it to flex with the frame. 21A P.113 $1.25 set of 2

Sacramento Vintage Ford- see contact info on Main Barn Page



https://www.vintageford.com/part_search.cfm?line=Model A&PartEntry=00422&Category=

 

[paul2748]

Check with Carpenter for the spring for the later Ford. There are other suppliers that might have what your looking for. Green Sales, C & G Ford,Early Ford V8 Sales, Gotham Auto Parts



For a 56, I think there is only one spring

 

[56sedandelivery]

Thanks guys. There are two springs at least on mine.

 

[56sedandelivery]

Got the springs and seems that the 48 are workable. Now question. Do the rubber pads go above or below the frame? I would think they go between the radiator mount and the frame but cannot find a pic anywhere that shows for sure. Thanks

 

[KULTULZ]

I got to ciphering ... ... and have come to the conclusion (amidst confusion - not to be confused with CONFUCIUS) that the complete kit you have is for a much earlier car (1928-48). The actual springs are the same so the pads shown are not used 1954-56.

You only need the springs and hardware if it fits. The core support sits on the 8125 insulator.

The CORE SUPPORT shown below is a 1954 but close enough ...

EDIT -

... or ... the pads can be used between the spring top to the core support to give it more cushion ...

It seems to me that a flat washer should be used also on the top and bottom of the spring ...

 

[56sedandelivery]

Forgot to enclose the pic of what I was talking about. The rubber pads go between the car frame and radiator frame, correct?

 

[KULTULZ]

Now we are describng the two smaller insulators that came with the hardware kit?

My thought is that they would be placed between the core support flanges and cross-member mount and the hardware placed below the cross-member mount. That would isolate noise/vibration (tension of compressed springs). The main insulator (8125) would catch all the harsh vibration/road shock.

There is no definite ASSY ILL I could find so it is hard to explain.

 

[56sedandelivery]

I was referring to the larger correct pads not the ones that came with the springs. I assumed that the pads go between the cross member and the radiator frame mount with the washer, spring, nut under the cross member. I also have not been able to find any pics of it to be sure.

 

[KULTULZ]

There is only one large pad under the core support (keeps the core support/radiator assy from banging on the frame mount).

Now there are two used with the FRONT ENGINE STEADY REST.

You didn't get them confused did you?

If you enlarge the thumbnails, it will show descriptive text that may help.

EDIT - BTW

The ILL that you are going by is for a 49/53 FORD FLATHEAD. I cannot find a true 1956-56 ILL. It may be in an earlier CHASSIS CATALOG.

 

[56sedandelivery]

Do not think so. There are two attached bolts to radiator support that goes through two hole in the cross member. I know the parts book shows AD 8125 B calls for one but there are two bolts so do not see how only one would work.

 

[KULTULZ]

Do not think so. There are two attached bolts to radiator support that goes through two hole in the cross member. I know the parts book shows AD 8125 B calls for one but there are two bolts so do not see how only one would work.

The AD 8125-B is approx 2.75" L, correct? The bolts/studs for the B 8130 spring(s) do not go through the 8125. They go to the cross-member mtg pad. The 8125 sits between the two studs and is held in place (I believe) by compression torque when the 8130 springs are tightened to spec.

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There may be two cap screws that hold the 8125 tightly to the core supt (16138). Cataloging is not that clear.

EDIT - Dis-proven. Refer To Post #28
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You still have yours out? Can you take a detailed photo(s) front and back of the lower core support? I only have 1954.

How did all appear when you took it apart? Had someone been in there before do you think?

 

[56sedandelivery]

I suppose the pad could go between the two studs. This is what has me so confused. Looking at your pic the pad goes under the rad support and the springs go between the rad support and the frame with the nuts under the frame. That sound right?

 

[KULTULZ]

I suppose the pad could go between the two studs. This is what has me so confused. Looking at your pic the pad goes under the rad support and the springs go between the rad support and the frame with the nuts under the frame. That sound right?

That sounds right to me. The thick pad goes between the springs and I would use the thin pads between the core support and frame mount just for extra precaution/protection. Also encapsulate the springs with flat washers (top and bottom).

If the springs uses cap screws instead of studs, a flat washer under each cap screw head to prevent galling. And of course a lock washer if not a nylon lock nut.

That center pad just keeps the core support/radiator from receiving a beating due to road shock.

Please take photo(s) after final assembly and THANX for the ones you have provided. It will surely help others.

Now I never really worked on a 55/56 so if anyone here has a different version, please speak up. It just seems to me to be the correct way.

 

[KULTULZ]

I forgot to ask and if you have not gotten too far ...

Can you photo and document your assembly so others can share?

 

[56sedandelivery]

Sure. Got a foot of snow here and anything over a inch is a blizzard. So be a bit till I can get out to the shop. Whole front clip is off and just now starting to reassemble.

 

[KULTULZ]

I finally recognized the 8124 insulator is held to the bottom of the core support with two cap screws. An ILL which seems to have been in an earlier edition text shows it as well as two holes in the bottom portion of a 1954 core support -

SEE BELOW - Descriptions Are At The Bottom Of ILL

MERC did not use the springs but the insulator is attached to the bottom of the core support in a similar fashion.

 

[56sedandelivery]

Okay getting confused again. There are holes in the core support that match up to the pad. But if I use bolts to secure the pad to the core support then there will be a nut on the bottom of the pad that rests on the frame. There is no corresponding hole in the frame for the nut sit in. Do not think that it would be resting on the nut. Also the pad I got is slotted to the holes that I assume is so it can be replaced without having to remove the core support.