model a boat motors

kenny in k'zoo

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I've seen model a engines used in airplanes and compressors. I read about them being converted for marine use but don't have any details. It seems like these motors were adapted for many more uses than just cars.

I'm hoping some of our members here can help me out with pictures or suggestions for more info on model a's powering anything but a model a.

Thanks, Kenny
 
I've seen photos of Model A intake and exhaust manifolds designed for marine use. Seems Chris Craft was buddies with Henry Ford and most of the Chris-Craft runabouts used Model A steering boxes. I had a 1942 Deluxe Sport Utility with a Chrysler marine engine and an A steering box
 
I have an old 1925 issue of Power Boating magazine Bar Marine has an ad for ford engine marine conversions, of course these were T engines, Bar was in business for many years and I am sure A's were marinized with their equipment. When I was a kid on Long Island many of the old boats had converted A engines in them. Rich
 
I don't know much about it....... but I do know that you could drill for oil after you go for a boat ride:D
 
Hi Kenny,

There is a beautifully restored model a marine engine displayed at the Model A Museum in the "suburbs" of Kalamazoo at the Gilmore Car Museum complex in Hickory Corners, MI.

Stan
 
I knew of one marine setup that was available, but no more. If you've worked with Marine engines, you can spot pretty easily with their big exhaust manifolds and the "Paragon" reverse gear (transmission) and their different motor mounts.
My first Chris Craft was a 1932 16", twin cockpits, engine amidship, mahogany speed boat. It had a Chrysler UMC marine, 4 cyl engine (Model B Plymouth). This engine was very similiar to the Mod A engine. Later ones used the Hercules 105 6cyl.
Terry
 
When I was a teenager in the '50's, in rural Arizona, I was quite interested to see an on-demand electric light plant -- powered by a Model A engine. My education into other uses for the trusty A engine had just began. My car was also powered with an A engine.
 
Hi Kenny,

When Model A marine engines were used for pleasure boats they were preferred because of their dependability on water & at sea as opposed to the late 1920's & early 1930's rope started outboards which made good anchors after their ignition coils got overheated inside the flywheel even after traveling short distances -- then one had to wait about an hour for the old outboard coils to cool before re-starting same.

The later Model B engine was better suited because of having a fuel pump; hence, the fuel tank did not have to be mounted up high to insure gravity flow -- with no continuous gravity fuel flow, less carburetor leaks after stopping & allowing the B engine to run out of gas.

Water pumps were discarded & not used because a 1/2" elbow was placed immediately behind the propeller to force water through the engine -- few homemade rigs had expensive marine exhausts on the mostly "used" engines -- (remember this is a period immediately after the 1929 Wall Street Crash) -- most had water exiting the engine through the exhaust pipe right below the manifold/exhaust connection where by the remaining length of the tail pipe was water cooled & not too hot to touch, plus the added water acted similar to a muffler. A valve was provided on the water "outlet" after traveling through the engine to control water flow to compensate for differences in water temperature between summer & winter.

Because these early pleasure boats & work boats were built out of wood, with the engine tilted rearward to align with the propeller, (plus the boats planning with about an additional 15 degrees tilt rearward), the rear bearing did not deposit oil on the garage floor or on the ground like in A & B vehicles -- like above reply no. 4, oil dumped inside the boat whereby after a few years the boat's wood bottom got completely oil soaked.

With a select 16 foot hull made with 5/8" select cypress planks, a Model B engine with a Police "B" head, with an 11" diameter prop with 11" pitch, one could attain about 45 mph with a 5 foot wide bottom with one passenger; but, also because of this hull's definitive aspect ratio & the great A & B engine torque, one would not lose too much speed with a few additional passengers.

Most engines were "bobtailed" without transmissions because (2) speed were most common -- wide open & stop -- A & B transmissions were known not to last long at top speed with the heavy duty increased wear caused from a propeller as opposed to wear created from above water rolling rear wheels. Marine transmissions were available, but top speed was reduced.

The clutch pressure plates were removed & a piece of 1/2" thick conveyor belt was bolted to the rear of the flywheel with the (12) rear flywheel bolts. In the center of the belt, a Model A "U" joint was bolted & attached with an inside steel backing plate to maintain engine/propeller alignment as the wood hull defected at mid section.

Rudders were operated with bicycle type chains connected to modified vertical mounted auto steering wheels.

Fire extinguishers were a "must", especially with Model A leaking carburetors with continuous gravity fed fuel through leaking Model A fuel shut-off valves -- when a fire occurred in the middle of a large lake or at sea, one could not conveniently walk on water to get away -- one had to swim away & donate the entire boat to the leaking carburetor.

Saw several similar rigs years ago, rode in some, still have a complete oil soaked "Ford" cypress hull built in 1929.

Hope this helps to describe marine conversions "back-then".
 
I looked thru my Century info. I have a 57 18' with a Ford Y Block. The earliest Ford powered I could find was a 36 Seamaid with a Ford V8. Before then for inboards they list Gray Marine 4 cylinders. My Y Block raw water cooled straight thru copper exhaust sounds awesome. :)
 

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Here's one.
 

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Thank you all for your answers and pictures!
I expect that a lot of model a engines were used on generators and irrigation pumps as they became junk yard cheap.
I'll have to check out that marine conversion next time I'm up at the Gilmore.
Love to hear that Y block run sometime.
Airplanes are as bad as Chris-Craft. Both are too rich for my blood but I still love 'e'm.

Thanks again, Kenny
 
In the 50's through 80's I remember a lot of flathead engines running carnival rides. I'd bet a lot of Model A engines were used. Today I think they have all switched to electric.
 
Post WWII my father worked as a counselor for troubled boys in michigan; can't remember exactly where. The camp had a boat: an ex WWII lifeboat with a Model A chassis dropped into it. The rear axle had big paddle wheels instead of wheels, and the steering wheel was attached to the rudder. Dad said that when you throttled it up it sent rooster tails 30 ft in the air and would beat any outboard on the lake. The boys at camp all loved an opportunity to pilot it. I wish to holy hell I had a picture of it. My Dad was a beautiful man.
 
The clutch pressure plates were removed & a piece of 1/2" thick conveyor belt was bolted to the rear of the flywheel with the (12) rear flywheel bolts. In the center of the belt, a Model A "U" joint was bolted & attached with an inside steel backing plate to maintain engine/propeller alignment as the wood hull defected at mid section.

I guess centering the U-joint would be important.
 
A. In response to reply 18, the 12 rear flywheel bolts are similar to the numbers on a clock thus making it easy to locate center.

B. To find flywheel center on the belt, one way is to make a simple, fixed wood trammel tool with a fixed, fine steel nail point securely attached on one end & a fixed fine point pencil on the other end:

1. Scribe one arch with the trammel tool with a little larger radius than the flywheel bolt's radius from a center point at noon followed by one scribed with a center point from 6:00; then,

2. Another (2) arches, one from 3:00 followed by one from 9:00.

3. Draw a straight line through connecting arches mentioned in paragraph 1. above & another perpendicular straight through connecting arches in paragraph 2.

4. Center of the belt is where these (2) perpendicular lines cross like on an X horizontal & Y vertical axis.

C. The steel backing plate can have six through bolts located on a circumference of a circle as follows:

1. After determining the desired diameter of the circumference for the six through bolts, determine the radius, (1/2 diameter), of this circumference.

2. With a compass set to the dimension of this radius, place the compass point on noon for example & scribe a line at 2:00 on the circumference; then from scribe a line with center at 2:00 to 4:00 etc. etc., until one arrives back at noon.

3. This set compass radius will divide the circumference into (6) center locations for the (6) through bolts.

Hope this helps
 
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Years ago my Dad found a model A engine that was in a Gleener (SP?) combine. It had a special exhaust manifold and a governor mounted to it on the timing gear. The motor was used on a friends restoration project long ago but I still have the manifold and governor along with the cover for it. I imagine the Wico Mag I found in with all the A parts went along with it too. I love seeing how the motors were used in different applications. I will snap a pic or two of the parts this evening and post them.

John
 
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