I'm with the other guys i was lost half way down the line, nothing like to heavy weights going after it, anyway mike i make my money on motorcycles for over 30 years burning and turning on them sold triumph and ducati for years, now work on four wheelers and utv, we sell about four case loads a week on this stuff, Let me make one thing clear i can not say without a doubt this stuff works but the shear amount of REPEAT customers i have, tends to lead me to think theres something to it, Maybe snake oils have there place not sure, but do what to thank you for taking the time to post on this your friend Allen