Well, I got them on!! I think the wife learned some new words in the process. I used Toms trick of the wire and also took the moon shaped thing inside apart. What a battle, but I won!! Thanks for the info. Also, I am not a computer wiz but I went to the search thread and was able to get what I wanted from there. These computers can be very helpful if one knows what to do on it. My computer is female with PMS every day and does what it wants to , not what I want it to. Oh well, I'm learning to live with it!