Another Bad Product??

kelly.ga

kelly.ga

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Another bad product, maybe, maybe not. As I posted a few day ago, I had worked my b--t off until 9:30 pm, was soaking wet, ticked off, and still did not get the rear window in my 47 coupe. Today I tackled it again with the help of Lawson Cox, and we had the same result. Now, since the opening is still the same, and the glass is still the same, you would think maybe the rubber is at fault. However, in this case at least, the glass is not original so maybe I have a defective glass size. My question is, should the glass pass thru the opening without the rubber. This is the only way I know of to determine if the glass is the correct size. On my car it will not pass through. My next step is to have the glass downsized by about 1/16th of an inch alll the way around. So, what do you guys think, should it pass thru or not. Thanks to all you guys, you always come through.
 
Depends on the shape of the rubber - I'm sorry I don't know the exact shape of that particular model.

Look at the cross section of the rubber. That should tell you.

Mart.
 
I just checked out my 42 with what I am pretty certain is a piece of original Ford glass and it does not fit through. The same as what you are seeing, about 1/16" oversize on all edges.
 
Not sure. Fit the rubber into the opening and try to determine where the glass sits in relation to the pinch weld. Maybe make a cardboard blank smaller than your glass and see if it fits. john
 
My Dad showed me a way to fit window rubbers.
Fit the glass to the rubber,wind a length of fishing cord around the groove in the rubber,leave a bit hanging out,push the rubber with the glass in against the opening,then pull the cord out from the inside at about 45 degs,this will peel back the rubber as you push on the out side and fold it over the body lip.
Lawrie
 
Thanks, sounds like now I have a rubber problem. Who do you think has the best reproduction rubber products. I got this one from Macs and I hate to call it non-conforming but after two tries and from what I'm reading here it looks like either modify the glass or throw the rubber on the shelf.
 
My 2¢, but I have found Carpenter has the best rubber products, but it has been quite a while since I put in a windshield or back glass. I agree, I think the rubber is a little thick.
 
When I recently did a 40 tudor I bought seals from Carpenter, Vintique and Drake because I knew there would be issues. I fit one of each and chose Drakes and returned the others. If the seal glass channel is directly in line with the seal pichweld channel than yes the glass must fit within the pinchweld. There is no such thing as the best rubber. I also suggest posting this topic on one thread. John
 
Just went and looked at my 46. I wonder if you are trying to use the wrong side of the seal on the outside? Don't have a seal to look at other than in my car, but the inside lip is largest [widest?]. The glass does set inside the body.
 
Not trying to be a smart a## but do you have the gasket facing in the right direction? The thinner edge faces the outside of the opening.
 
I tried to save $ and bought vent seals, window seals, and door handle seal from Mac's. NONE of it fit correctly, then I bought all from Carpenter. Not only did it fit better, his window seals came with a template for the glass. Everthing fit perfect first time.
 
I always used venetian blind cord and Liquid dish soap. Wrap the cord about 1 1/2 times in the pinch weld groove of the rubber and apply the soap in the groove. Place the window in the opening and start the rubber over the pinch weld at a cord end, when the rubber is started, pull the cord which will pull the rubber over the pinch weld. Work slowly and apply pressure to the glass and rubber as needed. This method worked for me in my body shop for years on windshields and backlites.
 
Be careful not to pull the cord too hard and cut into the rubber. I've seen people hitting the glass with the palms of their hands or big padded mallets to get it all in place.

Mart.
 
Thanks to all, however today I went to my local early ford dealer here in Conyers Ga to just get another gasket. I called asked who manfactured the gasket she had and it was a Dennis Carpenter. I said that sounds great and drove right over to pick it up. I also took the one I had already purchased from Macs. She looked at my old one and said it too was a Dennis Carpenter so I wouldn't be any better off with hers. The owner suggested maybe it should be installed from the outside-in. I know the book shows otherwise. Now I'm really stumped. What do you thing about a BFH.
 
I had no unexpected difficulty replacing the rubber in the rear of my '47. The old seal was cut out with a sharp blade from the outside, then sanded the opening with a medium grit followed by a coat of Zero Rust. Because I had no plans to paint the car soon, I used a light silicon grease on the light mason line and in the groove. A helper pushed the glass into place from the inside and maintained pressure outward. From the outside i seated the pinch weld into the bottom and seated that half into place. pulling on the line from outside and with a circular motion, taking care not to cut the rubber. The helper supplied the force to bring the assembly into place with varying pressure allowing the rubber seal to squirm until seated properly with some final help from a dull Harbor Freight hook. The window has been installed for five years and since I avoid hot direct sunlight, the rubber is still fresh and seals perfectly. The rubber seal was from Macs. Good Luck: Fred A
 
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