1932 clutch issue

[Bored&Stroked]

What Mart and I are both saying is that it really has nothing to do with having adjusters on the fingers. There are many clutch plates that don't have adjusters - that fit the same application as another manufacturer that has adjusters (same engine, same year, same flywheel). The adjusters are strictly a method for the manufacturer to align the contact surfaces of the fingers with the throw-out bearing. Some Mfgrs use them, some don't . . .

Fact is, there is something wrong with the actual clutch plate, it's design and/or how it interacts with the clutch disc. Having adjusters would NOT change a thing in that the finger contact areas need to be somewhere around 1/2" higher than they are - the reason they aren't high enough, I can't guess from pictures. Having adjusters would not solve the problem.

 

[Harold Degand]

Ok now I get it. My apologies.
I’ll try with an endoscope to look inside the clutch assy to find out.

 

[Harold Degand]

I was wrong, parts came from Speedway and not Mac’s but it doesn’t matter.
I think I bought the right parts

 

[oj]

That pressure plate looks way too tall, I have a '41 transmission in mine and it doesn't look as tall as that.
For the best advice and parts go to:
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/
He flat knows these transmissions, check out his website.

 

[Harold Degand]

I tried with increasing the length of the pushrod.
If now the bearing come closer the plate, when the bearing return toward the trans, the clutch pedal come back to much

 

[Mart]

But is that extra movement free play? Or is the bearing in contact with the fingers at that position? If the floorboards were in position it would not come up that far.
Try and adjust the length so the clutch is just released at about 2/3 of pedal travel. Then see where the pedal sits when just clear of the bearing. Mock up or imagine a floorboard in place which gives both an upper and lower travel limit for the pedal.
Mart.

 

[deuce lover]

Harold, To me you have a 4.2 litre French Marmon engine. Those are like the 8BA but with the 59A style bellhousing.So your flywheel may be different than a 59A.I don't know.You might have to install a sleeve that slips over the collar that the release bearing holder slides on to stop the pedal from retracting to far.I had to do that on a T5 that I installed in my 36 Ford years ago.Here are pics plus one of yours that I edited as its to dark.

 

[Harold Degand]

But is that extra movement free play? Or is the bearing in contact with the fingers at that position? If the floorboards were in position it would not come up that far.
Try and adjust the length so the clutch is just released at about 2/3 of pedal travel. Then see where the pedal sits when just clear of the bearing. Mock up or imagine a floorboard in place which gives both an upper and lower travel limit for the pedal.
Mart.

Yes, it works great.
And you’re right, the floor will limit the movement of the pedal in one way and the other.

 

[Harold Degand]

Harold, To me you have a 4.2 litre French Marmon engine. Those are like the 8BA but with the 59A style bellhousing.So your flywheel may be different than a 59A.I don't know.You might have to install a sleeve that slips over the collar that the release bearing holder slides on to stop the pedal from retracting to far.I had to do that on a T5 that I installed in my 36 Ford years ago.Here are pics plus one of yours that I edited as its to dark.

No, I have a 3.9 from a Simca Cargo.
The flywheel is the same as a 59a.

 

[Harold Degand]

Some update of my post

I put the floor back on.

I noticed the initial position of the pedals is lower than I thought.
So the pushrod is now 1/2’’ to short instead of 1’’.

I will remove the stop under the floor and put the extension I make on the rod.
Problem will be solved.

Thank you all guys for your help !

 

[Mart]

Hello Harold.
I recently fitted a clutch of the type you show, in place of an older unit with the fingers.
The clutch pedal still works, but the release point is lower than it was before. I will have to make an adjustment to bring the pedal up a bit.
I will show it in an upcoming video.
Mart.

 

[cas3]

I have found that when doing the mock up for pedal position, body on or off, you can clamp a flat piece of steel or wood onto the transmission flat spot where the serial number is to simulate the floorboard location. Not exact, but close enough for it to function, and do a finale adjustment once the floorboards are in place

 

[FlatJan]

Harold, To me you have a 4.2 litre French Marmon engine. Those are like the 8BA but with the 59A style bellhousing.So your flywheel may be different than a 59A.I don't know.You might have to install a sleeve that slips over the collar that the release bearing holder slides on to stop the pedal from retracting to far.I had to do that on a T5 that I installed in my 36 Ford years ago.Here are pics plus one of yours that I edited as its to dark.

actually i´d say it´s a 3.9 Cargo.
the Marmons had other embossed writings on the bellhousing and a pad to mount the rebuild plaque. plus i have never seen the writing on the back of the engine center part above the bell housing. this is where the marmon had it´s oil filter and more like Cargo or even early Simca.

but i may be wrong.

Harold: Why didn´t you stick with the 11"clutch? i run a 4.2 marmon with 11"clutch and 39 trans (78case) with no issue .
other than popping out of second.
but that has nothing to do with the clutch and i´m working on that

following are 4.2 Marmon pics.
green is cast 1980 by FN
black is cast 1975 by FAPS
grey is cast 1970 by FAPS (brass rebuild plaque)

 

[Harold Degand]

It is a 3.9 Cargo.
I used a 10 in clutch instead the 11 because the weight.