Oil Pump Flow Rate

Let's see, the only country that isn't using the metric system is the only country to have ever put a man on the moon. Coincidence? I think not. :)

That statement is totally WRONG. The only non metric countries are U.S, Liberia, and Myanmar. The US is in great company there.
That said, IMO, the metric system is very simple, consistent and logical while the imperial system is none of those things. The US system, for some reason which eludes me, is different from the original one so those saying they stick with the original system are in fact, not doing so.
I'll leave it there.
 
: "The US system, for some reason which eludes me, is different from the original one so those saying they stick with the original system are in fact, not doing so."

The former British imperial system of measures lacked standardization, with weights and volumes varying all over the place. This was manipulated by the British controlled East India Company to its own financial advantage in matters of trade with its colonies, a factor that led to the American Revolution. Somewhat later, Great Britain adopted a revised and uniform imperial system of measures in 1826, hence the difference. For some reason, they continue to refer to measures of body weight in "stone", of which I need to lose at least one.
 
The computer was neither metric nor imperial, it was binary, and it processed data in 8 bit bytes, which is certainly not metric. I you listen to the Apollo crews as they're landing, they're calling out the altitude in feet!:D


:) not quite right, the AGCs processor worked in 14bit (plus one overflow and one sign bit)... :) and all calculations inside the software were in metric and then converted before being displayed... there is a very fine book called 'Digital Apollo' if you are into the Apollo program and computers.
 
In summary we have the oil pump's volumetric output at:
8cc per shaft rev that is about 2 GPM at 1000 RPM;
9 Pints / Min at 1300 RPM that is 1.13 GPM.
 
In summary we have the oil pump's volumetric output at:
8cc per shaft rev that is about 2 GPM at 1000 RPM;
9 Pints / Min at 1300 RPM that is 1.13 GPM.

The 9 pints figure also shows up in The Restorer about 20 years ago in a compilation of specs by Rentz, but he doesn't say where he got it and I couldn't find any other reference to flow rates anywhere. I'm surprised the figure isn't given more frequently. Surely Ford had a spec for it.
 
9 pints per minute at minimum of 1,300 RPM.

Old information from Fort Worth Model A Club. They did a complete listing of engine spec’s.

Enjoy.
 
Re the metric system,
I worked in hydraulics, the US imperial fittings were a breeze to use, so were the British .
BUT the metric system was a real pain, French metric fittings were different to the germans who were different to Italians, and dont even try to stock all the Japanese fittings, all the different machinery manufacturers
used their own style,
working on USA or English machinery was easy, not so the others.
Lawrie
 
It is interesting that this topic has come up, because I am concerned about flow rates.

I have never considered a full flow, or partial flow oil filter system because on a trip I was always scared that the flow would eventually come and go while the motor is at sustained speed. Running the engine short on oil, even though it is not low seem dangerous to me.

A bigger and more potant oli pump may not solve anything. Has anyone ever considered this?
 
A bigger pump at pressure ,I think I would worry about the drive gear off the cam, it was only meant to drive the distributor and pump the oil into the Vally where the valves are.
Lawrie
 
A bigger pump at pressure ,I think I would worry about the drive gear off the cam, it was only meant to drive the distributor and pump the oil into the Vally where the valves are.
Lawrie

I agree 100% with that. I think those guys running up to 40 psi in their Burtz engines are doing themselves (and the engine) a disservice.
 
Synchro, 40 lbs, but remember it's more modern equipment. My new Chevy 350 in my streetrod runs at least 50 lbs all the time. Pressure and volume are two interesting values.
 
I agree 100% with that. I think those guys running up to 40 psi in their Burtz engines are doing themselves (and the engine) a disservice.

Burtz mentions this in his guide to modifying the oil pump:

Depending on internal pump leakage, downstream restrictions, temperature, and viscosity of oil chosen, the modified Model A oil pump may deliver too much oil resulting in high pressure that can overload the oil pump drive gear (Ford part A-6551) or cause the A-6570 spring to compress.

Incorporating an oil relief valve in the oil pump will prevent overloading. A new “analog” adjustable relief valve designed for a Model A oil pump has been tested and is in production. To maintain the same set pressure as oil volume increases, the piston in the relief valve moves to increase the area of the vent holes and maintain the set pressure. The relief valve comes assembled with 4 washers and has an opening pressure of 31.5 PSI.
 
: "The US system, for some reason which eludes me, is different from the original one so those saying they stick with the original system are in fact, not doing so."

The former British imperial system of measures lacked standardization, with weights and volumes varying all over the place. This was manipulated by the British controlled East India Company to its own financial advantage in matters of trade with its colonies, a factor that led to the American Revolution. Somewhat later, Great Britain adopted a revised and uniform imperial system of measures in 1826, hence the difference. For some reason, they continue to refer to measures of body weight in "stone", of which I need to lose at least one.

As you say, the British standardised in 1826, the Americans adopted their system in 1832 so the difference is not because the British standardised in 1826 but America adopting something different in 1832. If there was one standardised imperial system, why on earth did America "unstandardise" it?
As for a "stone" you guys don't understand that one because a ton was one of the things you changed. An original imperial ton was 2,240 lb, NOT 2,000 lb you use. Each ton was broken down into 20 units called a "hundred weight" of 112 lb. (Don't ask me why they called it that.) Each hundred weight was broken into quarters (28lb), called a quarter (appropriately) and each quarter was then halved to a unit of 14 lb called a stone. In other words, a stone is 1/160 of a ton. If that sounds complicated, you can see why the rest of the world has dumped the imperial system and followed France's lead in 1795 and gone metric - clearly as a result of the French Revolution in 1789. Who says history isn't important?
 
OK, I'd like to try to put together the data points from Randall's videos, here's what I saw.


Sec Crank RPM Notes
9 4000 Filter, hot
10 3500 No filter, cold
26 1100 No filter, cold
21 1100 Filter, hot
23 900 Filter, hot


Is that what everyone else got?
 
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