Need Help With Engine/Trans Id

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BanjoBoy

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Hello there. I recently purchased a 1930 Ford Model A Roadster . I am new to 4 Cylinder Engines and Model A Transmissions. I use the Search engine on here to try and figure out most questions I have but decided that I would Post pics of the engine and transmission that came with My Roadster. I pulled the engine and trans today and here are the pics.
Any Help with Id would be great.
On the Engine Head it reads 12948 or 1294B
Also there is a C stamped on the Head with an "n" in the middle of the surrounding circle embossed around it. (see pic)
The Water pump has 3 Bolts
The Engine Has a Pipe Under the Carb (Zenith)
Would Love to know what I have and really appreciate the help.
To be honest, I think the reason more young guys like me dont work on these engines is because we just dont know enough about them.
Thanks Ford Barn!
RattyRod_bucket

RattyRod_bucket
http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/RattyRod_bucket/model%20a%20engine%20and%20trans/
 
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No pictures ? Please attach so better answers can be provided.

The 3 bolt waterpump indicates you at least have a 32 B head or a 32-34 C head.

Ron
 
BanjoBoy said:
To be honest, I think the reason more young guys like me dont work on these engines is because we just dont know enough about them.
Thanks Ford Barn!
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I don't know anyone born with engine knowledge modern or not, and this is just one place to learn.

If you intend to keep the car stock, I would also suggest that you join a Model A Club in your area;

Model A Restorers Club (MARC) Regions

Model A Ford Club of America (MAFCA) Chapters

When you join one of the clubs don't let the old farts get under your skin and NEVER mention hot rods!

If your going to hot rod it (please don't) fix it up first drive it stock, enjoy the fact that you are driving history, then you can do with it as you want join the HAMB site and just have another modified car.
 
i agree just trying to see what i have here and learn the ropes. I added a picture link hope it works
so the c on the head can be 32-34 (wonder if its stock or aftermarket and what compression)
Mike V. Florida said:
I don't know anyone born with engine knowledge modern or not, and this is just one place to learn.

If you intend to keep the car stock, I would also suggest that you join a Model A Club in your area;

Model A Restorers Club (MARC) Regions

Model A Ford Club of America (MAFCA) Chapters

When you join one of the clubs don't let the old farts get under your skin and NEVER mention hot rods!

If your going to hot rod it (please don't) fix it up first drive it stock, enjoy the fact that you are driving history, then you can do with it as you want join the HAMB site and just have another modified car.
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Banjo,

Looking at photo # 3, if you look straight down from the distributor, over the side of the head, where the blue paint is scraped-away, above the water inlet flange, you should find a rectangular flat boss with a number stamped into it: this is the engine number, and should help date the block. (Unless it was ground-off and re-stamped to match a vehicle other than the original one it was installed in at the factory.)

That pipe under / behind the carb is an oil return pipe, that allows oil to flow from the rear of the valve chamber up to the timing case.

I think you have the later head ('32-'34) on an A ('28-'31) block: the '32-'34 fours had a fuel pump, with a mounting boss cast into the passenger-side of th block, and I believe the oil-return pipe was replaced by an internal passage.

Also, the intake manifold is not one I've seen on an A; that mounting boss & bolt business on the front leg of the intake is new to me...

Enjoy getting to know the stock Model A ... fairly straight-forward, with none of those unreliable electronics or fussy fuel injection voo-doo...
 
I agree with Frank about the A engine, and B head. The intake is a later Model B, which is a common update for A's.(The intake hole from the carb is slightly larger) The transmission looks like the standard Model A. Does the motor turn over? You are at the beginning of a wonderful journey with your new car, good luck, and check back if you need help!
 
The 32-34 head is higher compression than a A head; this was the old way of increasing the horse power on a A engine.

Your intake manifold is later, it sets the carburetor off set so the choke rod will not connect properly; you might consider looking for a A intake and exhaust manifold.

Your engine block is A, only the head has been changed.

Your bell housing and transmission are A.

Ron
 
Ron in Quincy said:
The 32-34 head is higher compression than a A head; this was the old way of increasing the horse power on a A engine.

Your intake manifold is later, it sets the carburetor off set so the choke rod will not connect properly; you might consider looking for a A intake and exhaust manifold.

Your engine block is A, only the head has been changed.

Your bell housing and transmission are A.

Ron
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Don't rush to replace the manifold (it is from early 1932). Many people use the slightly larger B carburetor (the one in the photo is from a Model A) and this manifold (or a reworked Model A manifold) to get a slight increase in the horsepower. I think someone makes special bolts to align the carburetor (you might try Bratton's for these bolts, 301-253-1929). Your exhaust manifold is correct for the Model A so you would only need to replace the intake (and have it machined to match the exhaust) if you decide to do so. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Charlie Stephens
 
BanjoBoy said:
Hello there. I recently purchased a 1930 Ford Model A Roadster . I am new to 4 Cylinder Engines and Model A Transmissions. I use the Search engine on here to try and figure out most questions I have but decided that I would Post pics of the engine and transmission that came with My Roadster. I pulled the engine and trans today and here are the pics.
Any Help with Id would be great.
On the Engine Head it reads 12948 or 1294B
Also there is a C stamped on the Head with an "n" in the middle of the surrounding circle embossed around it. (see pic)
The Water pump has 3 Bolts
The Engine Has a Pipe Under the Carb (Zenith)
Would Love to know what I have and really appreciate the help.
To be honest, I think the reason more young guys like me dont work on these engines is because we just dont know enough about them.
Thanks Ford Barn!
RattyRod_bucket

RattyRod_bucket
http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd218/RattyRod_bucket/model a engine and trans/
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Mr. Banjo Boy, Gibson RB6 Here. The Boys have it nailed again, Motors Model A, Head High Compression C, as in 33 and 34, ****** is Model A, Exhaust= if the tail pipe connection is pointed toward the ground, at a 90 degree angle it is a Model A, if it is about a 45 degree angle, it is a B, or 32 to 34. Thanks Herm.
 
The model A engine gets its lubrication by pumping the oil up to the valve chamber. Here the oil splashes around the lifters and enters tubes that go down to lube the main bearings. Oil will also flow over a "dam" to lube the timing gear. Any excess oil goes down the tube on the side of the engine to oil pan. In the oil pan there is a tray. This tray has indentations that hold oil so the connecting rods dip into the oil and lube them.
 
Jason, I'm just curious. Why are you selling off all the sheetmetal from your roadster? Are you making a hot rod? Do you plan on using the "A" engine/****** or selling it?
 
Kohnke Rebabbitting said:
Mr. Banjo Boy, Gibson RB6 Here. The Boys have it nailed again, Motors Model A, Head High Compression C, as in 33 and 34, ****** is Model A, Exhaust= if the tail pipe connection is pointed toward the ground, at a 90 degree angle it is a Model A, if it is about a 45 degree angle, it is a B, or 32 to 34. Thanks Herm.
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A minor correction. The C apeared on the cylinder head 1932-1934.

Charlie Stephens
 
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