302 Windsor or Cleveland?

Besides the extra horsepower? :rolleyes:
First clue is the different locations of the water outlet/thermostat fitting on the top front of the engine (facing fwd = W, facing up = C) and the number of bolts on the valve covers (6 bolts = W, 8 bolts = C)

Like JeffB2 says below, Google is your friend...
https://www.google.com/search?q=302...QIMnjoASt2ILYDQ&ved=0CCoQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=657

and...
https://www.google.com/search?q=302+Cleveland+windsor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Has someone offered you an engine that is somehow 'special', for a great price?
If you don't already know what the engine is, don't accept what they tell you unless someone else who really knows (a 'Ford' friend of yours or Ford mechanic you trust) looks at it before you buy it.
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Go to Google images and look at the valve covers and intake for each,it will be perfectly clear. Every picture tells a story ;)
 
Cleveland engines also have fuel pumps with the mounting bolts on top and bottom, instead of on the sides of the fuel pump like a Windsor.

Sal
 
the top radiator hose out let on a windsor engine comes straight out from the intake manifold, like a pointing finger
 
I am familiar with the differences between 351 Windsor and 351 Cleveland, there is a 351 W in my 56, but I didn't know there were different 302s, Windsor vs Cleveland.
 
56 Fairlane said:
I am familiar with the differences between 351 Windsor and 351 Cleveland, there is a 351 W in my 56, but I didn't know there were different 302s, Windsor vs Cleveland.
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Me either. Until recently I had not heard of a 302 being referred to as a "Windsor" or "Cleveland". Unless I'm mistaken, the standard 302s are narrower than a 351W and share a few common pieces like rocker covers etc.

Maybe I'm missing something but - If used in context to differentiate between a BOSS 302 being a W or C style engine perhaps that is the confusing issue.
 
302 is a 302 is a 302 is a 302. Same externally as a 289, 260, 221. Technically a Windsor, but historically not called that. 4.00 x 3.00

Boss 302 is 302 block with canted valve heads installed, similar to 351 Cleveland engine. Homemade versions of this engine, using a 302 or 351 Windsor block with 351 Cleveland heads, are called "Clevors". 4.00 x 3.00

351 Windsor is a bigger version of 302. Deck height is .9" higher, which is why the engine and intake manifold are wider. You can tell at where the timing cover attaches to the block at the top corners. If no gap to the bottom of cylinder head, 302. If there is an approx. 1" of cylinder block below the head to block joint, 351W. 4.00 x 3.50

351C has canted valve heads and hence wider valve covers. Same shape as 429, 460 covers, which also have canted valves. there is a 2 bbl version with smaller port heads, a 4 bbl version , and a Cobra Jet version ( "Q" ) code, with 4 bbl, large port heads, higher compression and 4 bolt mains. This is '71 -'73. Some confuse or try to sell a 4 bbl as a CJ. They are not correct. 4.00 x 3.50
 
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There is actually no such thing as a 302 Cleveland. The Boss 302 uses a regular style 302 block (small block) but uses the Cleveland style heads with canted valves and larger valve covers.

Sal
 
scicala said:
There is actually no such thing as a 302 Cleveland. The Boss 302 uses a regular style 302 block (small block) but uses the Cleveland style heads with canted valves and larger valve covers.
Sal
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From what I've read you're correct. The Boss 302 was a modified Windsor 302 block with the bigger/better Cleveland style heads. And the 'Clevelands' are a bigger different series of engines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_335_engine


I guess hotroddaddy's original question is already answered...
But we won't know more about what he's is actually up to unless he posts another comment.
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the boss 302 block is physically the same dimensions as a std 302, but has 4 bolt mains and threaded water plugs instead of conventional drive in freeze plugs
 
302 clevelands were the base model v8 in Australia from late 70/71 thru to 83. The only difference between 302c and 351c is crank and rods. australia dropped the 4v Cleveland heads from their performance cars here in 74. From then all clevelands used the same 2v heads which gave better throttle response than the 4v. We got 302 and 351c then never got another v8 til 92 which was a 302w.
 
you can buy a boss 302 of sorts.a friend got one for his 70 mustang.they use a 302 mexican block and make a boss.
 
If it's a regular 302 they should be the same other than what foundry it came from. Ford had more than a half a dozen foundries. Casting marks would be WF if it's from Windsor or a smaller F inside a C if it's from Cleveland. Have seen Cleveland casting marks on 289's. Ford couldn't get enough small blocks after the Fairlane and Mustang came out with them, and they started putting them in Galaxies and trucks. I'd imagine they came from several foundries, I've had a Mexican 302 and they are clearly marked.
 
'CF' Foundry mark
1954 256 Cleveland engine :rolleyes:
 

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