Used stock interiors… yeah.

RyanAK

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Used stock interiors… yeah.

Hey, friends. Long shot I know… but I’m looking for a worn but serviceable stock ‘28/‘29 Ford Phaeton interior for a prewar build. The car is a 28/29 Phaeton that is being built as a circa 1936 garage/speed parts supplier car. It’s not exactly a restoration, nor a “patina” car… though the car will have some honest wear. I’m currently without an interior and a shiny new set of seats and panels aren’t going to match the overall look of the car. So…

Any thoughts on where to search out a used interior? I’ve posted want ads here and on the HAMB. Not sure about upholstery shops that may be pulling interior as someone updates during a restoration or… searching out a street rodder (gasp!) that’s gutting a tub for minivan seats.

I think there are a lot of guys that are building ‘30s or ‘40s era cars that would be interested in used stock interiors. So if you’re pulling something to upgrade, don’t trash it! Post it for sale, especially on the HAMB.

Any thoughts or leads appreciated!

Ryan
 
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The seat springs are expensive so most folks will repair and use them if possible. The phaetons are popular open cars to restore to original so you don't see many getting parted out in recent years. Hot rodder's will still go for a roadster or coupe but not so much for a tub type hot rod these days.

I've seen old seats on flea-pay now and then but I can't ever tell what they were removed from. All I know is that they weren't for a 29 sport or business coupe since I look for those in good shape.
 
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Hey, roto. I have bottom springs that I’m working on. I’ll need to buy new seat back springs. Ideally I’d like to just find the seat covers from an older restoration that someone is redoing the interior on… freshening up, so to speak. Just need the seat material.

Alternatively… if I could track down the upholstery patterns, I could cut and sew myself… but I’d rather avoid that!
 
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Hey, roto. I have bottom springs that I’m working on. I’ll need to buy new seat back springs. Ideally I’d like to just find the seat covers from an older restoration that someone is redoing the interior on… freshening up, so to speak. Just need the seat material.

Alternatively… if I could track down the upholstery patterns, I could cut and sew myself… but I’d rather avoid that!

Allow me to add some food for thought in this. There are times when certain builders 'dis' on the guys that are actually restoring to a Fine Point level. Often what is overlooked about the type of Restorer how/why they are going to that level is because of the challenge and the craftsmanship that is involved in correctly and authentically replicating something either in aesthetics and/or mechanics. One such area is in Upholstery & Trim where many of the original fabrics are no longer in production requiring the Restorer to create or fabricate something that is aesthetically correct. Often times it is finding a piece of vinyl that has the correct grain pattern and then dyeing the material to the correct color prior to cutting and sewing. In the case of replicating a worn or weathered interior, you must find ways tear and weather the vinyl, sew areas where the stitching seems loose, and distress the seat springs where it shows fatigue and wear patterns. Anyone can track down patterns and stitch off-the-roll piece goods, but getting creative with your brain and your hands trying to replicate something in exacting detail will make you a better craftsman for other tasks in this world. It aso trains your brain to accept your failures and then problem solve how to correct that failure.
 
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Allow me to add some food for thought in this. There are times when certain builders 'dis' on the guys that are actually restoring to a Fine Point level. Often what is overlooked about the type of Restorer how/why they are going to that level is because of the challenge and the craftsmanship that is involved in correctly and authentically replicating something either in aesthetics and/or mechanics. One such area is in Upholstery & Trim where many of the original fabrics are no longer in production requiring the Restorer to create or fabricate something that is aesthetically correct. Often times it is finding a piece of vinyl that has the correct grain pattern and then dyeing the material to the correct color prior to cutting and sewing. In the case of replicating a worn or weathered interior, you must find ways tear and weather the vinyl, sew areas where the stitching seems loose, and distress the seat springs where it shows fatigue and wear patterns. Anyone can track down patterns and stitch off-the-roll piece goods, but getting creative with your brain and your hands trying to replicate something in exacting detail will make you a better craftsman for other tasks in this world. It aso trains your brain to accept your failures and then problem solve how to correct that failure.
Brent, your food for thought feeds my history nerd. This build is as much a historic reproduction and “experimental archeology” exercise as it is a mechanical construction. Getting the details right is important to me, as much as it is for a guy doing fine-point restoration. It’s just that I’m adding a “life story” to the car. I do similar things for my 1750s Pennsylvania research and crafting. Once upon a time I did so with Civil War living history.

The car is a mostly stock 28/29 Phaeton. It all started when my autistic 8yo son decided he wanted to build a car from nothing.

“Nothing, Spencer?”
“Nothing, Dad.”

Ok then. I started dragging Model A parts home and we’re building a car.

There’s an 18-page thread over on the HAMB. We’re attempting to recreate a car owned by a garage/speed shop about 1937, using period correct parts and methods.

In our yard. No shop.

Almost zero power tools. My tools mostly fit in a 2-gallon galvanize pail.

The “life” is that of an 8-9 year old open car during the height of the depression in the east or midwest. I’m a research nerd, and period photos show open cars in pristine condition all the way to complete heaps. We’re aiming for a bit north of the midway point. So a bit of honest wear and tear, but still cared for.

Chassis wise, the only modifications are a reverse-eye front spring and a Model T spring in the rear. 33/34 front axle. 17” wheels. Oh, and V8 shocks since I can’t afford rebuilt Model A shocks. We’re running mechanical brakes.

Driveline is stock A transmission and rear. The stock (for now) Model A block will get a B distributor, Yellow Winfield head, Miller dual updraft intake, and a pair of Winfield SAU carbs.

Body is stock. We’re even running fenders. Well… stock except the windshield. We did chop that 2.5” and lay it back a little. Might drop the headlight bar too.

Other than “consumables”, some wear parts, the water pump, wiring and the windshield frame, every part is original. Technology is all pre-1937. Actual like, the technology date may slide closer to ‘35…

The Winfield head gives a good idea of what I’m trying to achieve. This is an original head with a very old (and very expedient) repair to a crack in the water passage. The great blob of brass is like removing a button on a reproduction colonial coat. Or a well placed patch in a pair of breeches. Patina on a knife. A dent in a canteen. “Life”.
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This is one of the photoshop work-ups we’ve done.
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And some period inspiration. I believe in primary source documentation.
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So hopefully this gives some insight into what I’m trying to accomplish, why I’d search out used upholstery, and why if I sew my own I’ll be attempting some authentic distressing to get the car as period correct as possible.

Madness you say? Absolutely! :cool:
 
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Below is a car we built for my son to take to the Street Rod Nationals when he first got his drivers license, and then for him to drive to school the first day of his Junior year, so I get what you are saying.

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Roar with Gilmore! Yeah, man! You get it. Such similar ideas.

So what was your approach for interior?
 
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and distress the seat springs where it shows fatigue and wear patterns. Anyone can track down patterns and stitch off-the-roll piece goods, but getting creative with your brain and your hands trying to replicate something in exacting detail will make you a better craftsman for other tasks in this world. It aso trains your brain to accept your failures and then problem solve how to correct that failure.

"...distress the seat springs to where it shows fatigue and wear patterns."??? Why? It seems like an insult to the people who lived through those tough times. They had to make do with what they had; they did not prefer to have to sit on worn out springs and ragged upholstery! As soon as they could, they upgraded to better cars! Or at least better seats!
 
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I found a 1929 Mallory dual point centrifugal advance for my old speed parts build. It only had one set of points which are impossible to find so I decided to go with a Pertronix electronic in it. I'll go ahead and hide the wire in the pop out cable.
 

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regarding replicating interiors to look shabby or paint to look worn, often takes far more skill then to make it look shiney and new.


not an easy feat..............


an old interior is generally so worn out, that most are discarded.


a local fella has been restoring Mercers for about 50 yrs now. about 15 yrs ago he started with the worn paint look and straw and mud on the wheels, when showing.
He is world renowned. Guess winning AACA shows for yrs finally became boring........
 
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I agree, ronn. Adding age through carefully applied technique takes skill. Making it look authentic takes a real astute eye. Studying the originals… whether photographs a ‘29 Ford in 1937 or wear patterns on a well used dog lock carbine… that’s how you develop the eye for applying age that looks authentic and not like faux-patina. I’ve left wool uniform pieces outside for weeks to create authentic sun fading and tinted spar varnish to match 90 year old original sections on bamboo fly rods. That Winfield head up above is freshly painted and distressed to appear like the braze was recently done, rather than done 80+ years ago. Let the originals be the guide. Create a story. Stories are important.
 
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This idea is used in museums. An example is the C. P. Huntington 4-2-4T locomotive in the California railway museum. It was last restored to appear as it did in 1915 at the San Francisco Panama-Pacific Exhibition. This locomotive was built by Danforth, Cooke & Co. in 1863 and now the oldest locomotive in the museum.

This is a story of change that delights thousands of people 160 years after the time it was built.

RyanAK and his Son's phaeton will also delight many from the car fraternity as they stand in front of it and enjoy the story it was built around.

I wish you two the best in your quest to tell your story!
 
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Just a thought about upholstery, back around 1960 or so I bought a well used '29 A tudor. At some point in it's life the seats upholstery had been recovered with what looked like used canvas from a binder.
 
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This link has photos of the way a 1929 Phaeton was upholstered.
https://www.grautogallery.com/vehic...992/963977/790x1024/1929-ford-model-a-phaeton

The blue gray colonial grain faux leather was standard. This example was not authentic but it came closer than some. A person can see the puckers in the corners of the lower cushion but the vinyl is thicker then the old pyroxylin book cloth that Ford used back then so they don't stand out as much. The cotton padding is a bit thin. A person can see the coils in the rear seat back cover.

I purchased my Consew 206 machine from an furniture manufacturer that went out of business. I'll never regret that purchase.
 
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The proper look for the story is vital. Each car or locomotive has a tale to tell. Over it's life there have been many memories they have created.
I've been involved with Shelbys for 50+ years. Today the trend to restore them to exactly as it left the factory has made them boring and soulless. It's a waste of time looking at a row of white/blue 65s with the only difference being the date codes on the glass and sheetmetal.
 
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