"Tissu-Pak" Oil Filter

Biggles

Biggles

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I have picked up a Henderize "Tissu-Pak" external oil filter which is designed to use a toilet paper roll 4.5" x 4.5" x 1.5" bore.
Pressurised oil flows into the centre of the TP roll up to the top where it is diverted out to the top of the roll.
From there it is forced down between the TP sheets to the bottom where it is collected and returned to the engine.

Is there a modern cartridge which will fit this can, with top down flow?

Alternatively, the holes in the lid could be sealed so that oil would have to flow from the centre out to the circumference of a cartridge.

Is there a modern cartridge which will fit this can, with centre out flow?




 
I use one of those in the air line to my plasma cutter but wouldn't trust my engines to one. Toilet paper wasn't designed to remain paper when soaked in hot oil.
 
The Frantz oil filter website states that: "Ninety–nine percent of the auto mechanics (if they are honest) will admit that a bypass filter is far more efficient than a full-flow filter."
Is that true?
 
These were novel in their day! When these came out on the market they claimed you never had to change oil again just change the toilet paper roll and top off your oil. To prove how effective these worked they would take a car in need of an oil change and install the toilet paper canister, run the engine and the oil would clean itself until it looked like fresh oil. Problem here is the toilet paper didn't remove acids, gas or other harmful ingredients!
Not a good idea to run one of these today and if they worked as claimed they would still be in use today. I remember them being promoted at county fairs in California back in the day!
 
Boy does this bring back memories. I always thought about what would happen if the paper broke down and filled all the oil passages with pieces of toilet paper.
 
I would be concerned the toilet paper would break down and contaminate the motor. Possibly plug oil lines.
 
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Is there a modern cartridge which will fit this can, with top down flow?



Is there a modern cartridge which will fit this can, with centre out flow?
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There is not any modern filter that will fit.
One of the only bypass filters that will equal or surpass the filtering ability of the toilet paper filter (2-3 micron ) is the spin-on Amsoil by-pass filter.
Added one to my Merc.
 

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19Fordy said:
The Frantz oil filter website states that: "Ninety–nine percent of the auto mechanics (if they are honest) will admit that a bypass filter is far more efficient than a full-flow filter."
Is that true?
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According to Amsoil the by-pass filter whether it be toilet paper or the new spin-on type, filters out the 2-3 micron particles ( the ones that do the damage) Full flow filters only filter in appox. the 25-35 micron range.
The trucking industry where engine wear is a concern uses a combination of full flow and by-pass filters.
 
These filters were a gimmick back in the day when toilet paper was thin and it would actually pass SAE 20/W20 oil through but would rapidly plug up and start to bypass. No worry about the paper going down the little tube and into the oil pan since it would plug that too. The modern toilet paper has been softened to the degree that it would turn to mush after trying to filter SAE 20/W50 oil or whatever folks use now days. The only saving grace it that the oil filtration system is a bypass type system. If you tried a TP filter with no bypass you would lose your bottom end as soon as it plugs up.

The pleated porous paper filter elements available then are basically the same as they are today. Even they can plug up with crud if you don't change them often enough. In aviation, we use the largest filter we can spin on the adapter. They are required to be bypass regulated in case they plug. Many of the older engines still use a series of screens. One for the sump pick up and one for the pressure side. We are required to change oil at 25-hour intervals for these and 50-hour intervals for the spin on types. They used to warn against using the TP types because they would plug up in less than 25-hours. They are not available for aviation use in this day and age.

PT Barnum had it right.
 
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Sounds like it's easier to buy a regular canister element to me. A person can filter out the polymers if you want to go that far but the acids that build up are not removed. Oil is still relatively inexpensive. I certainly don't worry a bit about changing oil every 3000-miles. It's still just a bypass system. The density of the paper in the roll is the only thing in there that acts as a filter. A person would need the industrial strength stuff and wound on the roll very tightly to boot.
 
You might try the Parker-Racor string wound cartridges for their smaller truck lube bypass canisters.

Or you can prolly find the right size ball of cotton string for your canister on Amazon to do the same thing.

Or you can simply roll-your-own from an old Sears catalog or telephone book --- or was that a Montgomery-Ward catalog? 8^)

Jack E/NJ
 
My Uncle had one on an old VW bug, never said how well it worked, seems like he only kept the car for a short time.
 
Hello Neil,
They are still in production over there, still use bog roll as the filter but they do say it's gota be a certain type, so it don't mulch down. They can supply the correct type for use. I think the info is on the Franz (sp?) web site. I believe one of the big trucking outfits use them to this day. Can't remember who though.
I'd have thunk you could turn up an adaptor to fit a modern full flow type insert, as lots of modern cars use the pleated paper refills now rather than spin on filters.
I suggest maybe the Tweeded one spuddle on down to halfords get to the oil filter shelfs and have a nose in the boxes. Easley tell the metal case from papers by weight, can help speed up the selection process.
If a member of staff happens to appear and ask if you need help, do as I do and just say "no, I'm fine thanks" they normally look baffled, mostly leave you to carry on gently opening boxes. I do put them back tidy. No body was harmed I'm these exercises.
Best of British,
Martin, the little one.
 
Many thanks to you all for suggestions, cautions and links.

Ed Greany at FrantzOil has been helpful and has given me confidence that the filter will work, with the correct TP roll, without clogging up oilways.
I just have to find a TP roll of the right size:
4.75" diameter, 4.5" tall, with 1.5" bore.

The only roll I have is not fit for purpose with its mangled core tube, but it was made by Scott Paper Company of Chester PA, and called a ScotTissue Service Roll ("not to be sold through retail stores" - what is that all about?).

Are these still available?
 
("not to be sold through retail stores" - what is that all about?).

Just refers to wholesale only sales. A lot of products are marketed as wholesale only.
 
If you have not had to "do your business" in some sort of "commercial establishment", you may not be aware of the quality of this "wholesale only" TP. It should work fine.

Seriously, my dad was a rep for Frantz in the 60's, and the combination of a full flow filter and an extra bypass filter was not a bad idea.
 
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