three on the tree shifting [more scale model research]

[s.e.charles]

s.e: Sorry to report that I junked 3 worn out complete side shift transmission 3 months ago as you can't give them away and they are too heavy to ship. Surely, someone near you must have one they don't need. Visit some car shows and ask around -explaining why you need one.

just giving me the picture posted is helpful; thank you.

often technical bulletins are so complete i get buried trying to get from A to B.

the transmission is so perfect the photographer must have had me in line when he took it.

there's a resin cottage manufacturer Replicas in Miniature Company of Maryland, Norm Veber proprietor, and i just purchased (2) of those transmissions to be used on Revell flathead engines (1:25 scale) so all this back 'n' forth will have an outlet in the near future.

thanks again,

sid

 

[s.e.charles]

Sid, Ford passenger cars had floor shifts up till 1939, followed by column shift in 1940.
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With regard to your reference to Glennpm’s posts, he made an excellent point, we get lots of questions here and few responses to our own questions. With more detail provided in questions asked, we can deliver better answers, and we greatly appreciate follow-ups describing the outcome.

i think reading somewhere the market shift was to ladies and the column shift was intended enforced the ease of which driving could be undertaken.

with regard to your second comment, it's not the point he tried to make, it's the way he went about it.

and by reading the thread title, one could choose to respond in a positive & polite manner, or move on. hence the addendum MORE SCALE MODEL RESEARCH in order to not confuse anyone who might be reading for comprehension.

but name calling never gets us anywhere. if there was less of it, the world might be a better place.

and if i have missed "thank you" to anyone who has helped me, consider this a blanket Thank You to cover my sin. mea culpa.*

* and glenn can still go pound sand as far as i'm concerned.

 

[19Fordy]

Don't know if this will be helpful for what you are doing but, here's more photos.

 

[s.e.charles]

i'll say they're helpful.

each one holds a piece of the puzzle for me. and it's really convenient someone took the time to label them because it saves me from asking a gazillion other questions.

the view from the torque tube forward showing the mounting bracket is especially nice. as is the overall shots showing where the casting ends and the short section holding the flywheel would be connected. for years i thought this was one huge single piece.

i appreciate you taking the time to post these.

s.e.

 

[19Fordy]

s.e.: Not sure what you mean when you say, "as is the overall shots showing where the casting ends and the short section holding the flywheel would be connected. for years I thought this was one huge single piece.

The short cast iron piece with the two motor mount bolt holes on the rear of the transmission is called the bearing retainer . It has 4 bolts (2 top & 2 bottom) that attach the clamshell housing to the rear of the transmission case and covers the universal joint and also serves as the rear motor mount. Last photo shows shift rods from column attached to shift levers on transmission. The acorn nuts securing the bearing retainer to the frame and the rod from the bellhousing are not OEM as this 1940 transmission is bolted to an 8BA engine using a 1950 Mercury bellhousing between the rear of the engine and the front of the transmission. The stock 1940 engine did not use this as the bellhousing was cast as part of the 1940 engine block.

 

[cas3]

Also, Henry Ford (and others) wanted you to always exit the car at the curb side.

Much easier to slide across the seat with the floor shifter gone.

 

[19Fordy]

also, henry ford (and others) wanted you to always exit the car at the curb side.

Much easier to slide across the seat with the floor shifter gone.

excellent point!

 

[s.e.charles]

thank you for the additional photos; always something i can pick out for

additional detail.

i meant the short section between the transmission casting and the engine block.

doesn't that house the flywheel and clutch plate?

"... slide across the seat..." indeed.

reminds me of [another passion i have = old time radio] and Kingfish is of course trying

to sell Andy a 'slightly used auto - mobile' and he says something to the effect

"blue serge suit would glide right across that seat, boy".

anyway, i thought it funny.

 

[s.e.charles]

and going over the photos, not getting haughty, but now i can identify the "bearing retainer" - which i had thought would be a transmission mount [thank you] speedometer cable connection, and the top down pictures really help me understand how all the pieces not only fit, but relate to each other.

Q: should i ask about a clutch master cylinder?

i've found several on-line sources of diagrams & workings, but would i be correct a three speed column shift system of the '40s era would not be encumbered by a hydraulic clutch?

i just finished Driving With the Devil by Neil Thompson and he explained how Red Byron designed & built a hand operated clutch in his '53 Ford convertible to allow him to compensate for a piece of shrapnel lodged in his hip from WWII. and he raced, too. tough guys the lot.

so i assume the hydraulic clutch came later in automotive development and hopefully i don't have to think about it now! head is already bursting . .

thanks again,

s.e.

 

[cas3]

Mopar was fooling around with hydraulic stuff pretty early but Ford was mechanical linkage for decades yet to come

 

[Mart]

The short piece between the trans housing and the block is part of the block. At least it is on a flathead up to 48/49.

 

[s.e.charles]

oh; i thought it was a separate casting.

thanx

 

[19Fordy]

Mart got it right. Here's some photos of the engine block with the "bell housing" cast as part of the block.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=1940+...EDSAQg1OTk5ajBqNKgCCLACAQ&FORM=ANAB01&PC=HCTS
The later blocks were known as 8BA style blocks and used a separate bellhousing bolted to the rear of the block to house the flywheel. Early Ford and late Ford flywheels are not interchangeable.

 

[19Fordy]

s.e.: Here's Fordbarn thread that provides tons of information about that you will happily devour.
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334280

Also, as a side note, 1940 Fords did not have a way of locking the driver side door from outside the car. You could only lock the driver side door by pulling up the inside door handle which meant you had to exit the car from the pass. side if you wanted to lock both doors.
Henry didn't want folks stepping out into traffic.

 

[s.e.charles]

youse guys are answering questions before i can even formulate them = not fair!

i really DO appreciate the help. my reference files doth runeth over. i hope it's okay

to print some of those pictures. {if not just let me know please].

rain is forecast for friday, so i now know i will have plenty of research material to

go through. bicycle rides will have to wait for saturday & sunday.

best,

sid

 

[19Fordy]

s.e: Perhaps I missed it but, what exactly are you using all this information for?
Is it for written research or practical application? Just curious.

 

[s.e.charles]

see the thread title.

i have a construction [residential carpentry] background and my mechanical abilities/ knowledge falls short.

nothing worse than a scale model with a distributor bolted to the intake manifold, a flathead with four pipe exhaust, or no plumbing going to the radiator.

and it's in my nature to fester on minutia - so things like this keep me going.

for the longest time i could not understand why my dial caliper readings never matched standard specifications. it's a decent just under $100 tool, perhaps pale by comparison to some, but for me it was an investment.

there was always a discrepancy in my real world measurements and factory specifications. come to find out - DUH! - i wasn't engaging the little knurly thing wheel until i had pulled on it a few [+ usually] thousands. no wonder, huh?

behavior modification.

some people do crossword puzzles, i'll be amongst those feeding the pigeons soon enough, but for now, this is keeping me going.

 

[19Fordy]

s.e: RE: "......it's in my nature to fester on minutia." Your attention to detail is a great attribute and a talent not every has as you have to have the patience of a toothache.
You would have been a great dentist.

Anyhow, keep pressing forward because as you master the small items, the big one's fall into place, little by little. Plus, you learn as you go.

 

[s.e.charles]

thanks for the encouragement.

as mom used to say "some days you could p^$$ off a saint"

well, i did my best to try, anyway.

sid

 

[s.e.charles]

it's not just me i guess:

https://youtu.be/0nTiPzqWKtA?si=iIcBNf7EHn3R9Ox0