The forgotten 1960 Fords

KULTULZ said:
Again... :rolleyes: ... a statement such as this is IMO.

To have a correctly assembled car, the Casting ID Nos (assembly parts not service parts), Date Code And foundry code must be correct or it (FORD-LINC-MERC) is not a NUMBERS CORRECT CAR. It must also match the build sheet if one is available or the owner may be hiding it.

Take for just an example, a 61 FORD 390 4V 375HP that came through with the Tri-Power in the trunk for dealer assy. Both engines (375 4V or 401HP 6V) will have the same engine code). The seller would need a factory build sheet to claim the car was a true 3X2 401HP.

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Here is one example of determining a MATCHING NUMBERS car-

http://www.vtohtx.com/M_Code_3_page_Fact_Sheet__v2_.pdf
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True but also Ford ran batches of intakes, heads ect You could very easi;y have parts with date codes 2-3 months older than the build date of the car I did read that whole article, very interest but nothing really on numbers matching Maybe you could clue me in on what numbers are supposed to match
 
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Purist collectors WILL INDEED demand correct date codes and casting numbers on certain rare Fords. Also, there are certain numbers stamped into high performance blocks, for example, that identify them as such. A friend showed me this recently on a Super Cobra Jet block which allowed the potential buyer to identify it as "the one" he had when new. I agree that some GM models can have matching serial numbers such as the same as the VIN on some components, but I think most do not; I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I think I'm right that not very many GM models can claim this other than that, like Ford and MoPar, certain components can be identified to correct models but not a specific car or truck.
 
willowbilly3 said:
True but also Ford ran batches of intakes, heads ect You could very easi;y have parts with date codes 2-3 months older than the build date of the car I did read that whole article, very interest but nothing really on numbers matching

Maybe you could clue me in on what numbers are supposed to match
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You mean before vehicle assembly date, correct?

You will also have an engine (or any other component) assembly date. Much will depend on the actual vehicle assembly plant.

Let me go a little farther and hope it doesn't add to the confusion.

ENGINEERING PART NUMBERS- There is actually more than one. What you see stamped/cast onto the part identifies the base part. There is another PN assigned for differing machining protocol and/or assembly and yet another if the part is included in an assembly, say intake manifold with all attaching parts ready for complete engine assembly.

One example is the ECZ-B 4V intake that has a vacuum provision on the front runner.

As for GM numbers matching, I would a$$-u-me that they are much like FORD, casting/stamping ID NOS and these would be converted to actual Service PN's. If you mean VIN ID on the actual part(s), all manufacturers were required to ID major components beginning in 1968.

The greatest example(s) of non number matching cars to me is the Resto-Mods you see in auction houses not being what they claim to be and bringing in big bucks. It is like flipping houses with poor quality workmanship and materials. The owner will not be aware of it until years afterwards.

I don't know how to explain it more exactly than what I have. Sorry...

Motorhead6 said:
Purist collectors WILL INDEED demand correct date codes and casting numbers on certain rare Fords. Also, there are certain numbers stamped into high performance blocks, for example, that identify them as such. A friend showed me this recently on a Super Cobra Jet block which allowed the potential buyer to identify it as "the one" he had when new. I agree that some GM models can have matching serial numbers such as the same as the VIN on some components, but I think most do not; I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I think I'm right that not very many GM models can claim this other than that, like Ford and MoPar, certain components can be identified to correct models but not a specific car or truck.
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THANX!

I need all the help I can get... :cool:

Also note that Service Replacement Parts will not normally be the same a assembly parts. This really shows on HP engine assemblies.
 
Thought I'd relate a story of one of those 1961 Fords.
In 1961, I was home in Hawaii, after my first year of college.
I grew up there as my Dad had taken a job at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard at the end of 1945.
A guy I knew from hi school had been given a new 1960 Corvette upon graduation. He stopped by my house to find out where a girl lived. I told him I could show him & off we went. Her name was Charlotte & her Dad was the service manager for the Ford dealership in Honolulu.
When we got to her house, her Dad was working on a ski boat & told us Charlotte wasn't home. We chatted with him about the boat & he said he had to leave to go to the Hardware store for something. We all left at the same time. He was driving the most Plain-Jane ugly 1961 Ford 2 door sedan. It was the cheapest,least attractive car to us.
3 speed, column shifted POS. At the first stoplight, Jimmie (with the Corvette), was really giving Charlotte's Dad a bad time about what a crappy car he had and how fast his Corvette was. I mean, a Corvette with a 4 speed, etc.
When the light changed we left that big ugly Ford in the dust- until about halfway thru 2nd gear in the Corvette, that Ford was just shifting into 2nd & went by us and just walked away.
He had the 401 HP engine.
Was a bad day for us kids
 
The 1961 401 starliner is one of the nicest ford's ever built. It could do low 13"s in the quarter mile if tuned right . I had many in my friends ,it was a great car. I went with him to the dealer the day he ordered it. The performance package came in the trunk and was installed by the dealer.
 
Remember travelling along the Gulf Coast to a New Orleans college bowl game in '66 with three of us sitting up front in a beautiful '60 Sunliner convertible. To me, the '60 Ford is one of the old car greats!

The car was unique in that it was powered by a 260 CI and was slow but, oh, did it get attention!
 
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This beauty, a 1960 Ford Starliner has been imported into Australia and is listed for sale for $49,900 in Victoria.
 
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Too young to care, I left a ten year old '60 Sunliner slip through my fingers. Got it for free, passed it on for the same. One of the few times I heard my father express his wrath.:(
 
Peyton said:
Remember travelling along the Gulf Coast to a New Orleans college bowl game in '66 with three of us sitting up front in a beautiful '60 Sunliner convertible. To me, the '60 Ford is one of the old car greats!

The car was unique in that it was powered by a 260 CI and was slow but, oh, did it get attention!
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A 260? It would have had a 292 or 352 originally. Why would someone swap in a smaller engine that would not fit the mounts, the bellhousing, the exhaust, the wiring, etc., etc.,?
 
40 Deluxe said:
A 260? It would have had a 292 or 352 originally. Why would someone swap in a smaller engine that would not fit the mounts, the bellhousing, the exhaust, the wiring, etc., etc.,?
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I was thinking the exact same thing. A lot of work and fabrication to go slower. The only part I agree with is that it was slow.


Sal
 
Could have been a 223 ... :eek:

I worked with a painter in one dealer that had a beautiful 61 STAR. He popped the hood one day and it had a 292. Sorta like getting married and going on the honeymoon and finding out she is frigid ... :(
 
KULTULZ said:
Could have been a 223 ... :eek:

I worked with a painter in one dealer that had a beautiful 61 STAR. He popped the hood one day and it had a 292. Sorta like getting married and going on the honeymoon and finding out she is frigid ... :(
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Yep, a Starliner could be had with a 223 in both 60 and 61.
 
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KULTULZ said:
Could have been a 223 ... :eek:

I worked with a painter in one dealer that had a beautiful 61 STAR. He popped the hood one day and it had a 292. Sorta like getting married and going on the honeymoon and finding out she is frigid ... :(
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Herman Munster said:
Yep, a Starliner could be had with a 223 in both 60 and 61.
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Must have been a preacher's car-


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