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StewartWade

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I thought my Model A Coupe was just regular with a roll down back window. Then I read an article that mentioned Serial Numbers that started with "AX" were experimental Model A's. And sure enough, my serial number was "AX4606264" with a Murray Body AXSTL14473. I had assumed it was produced in July 1931 since that is when roll down back windows were available. However, I now believe is was produced earlier since it was an experimental model. I am attempting to write an article on it and would like to research production figures from St. Louis if possible. Thanks for your help,
Sincerely, Stew
 
I thought that the arch on door window was for a four door Murray and the strait ment Briggs I never new that it applied to other body styles,by 1931 the slant window were were now being sold as the first time that doors between Briggs and Murray could be interchanged between the two body builders
 
Stew,

Here are some facts to help you out:

Engine A4606264 was stamped on April 29, 1931...Question is...what is your frame number? Also, this may not be the original engine IF it is stamped with the "AX" prefix as all engines, to my knowledge, were either stamped "A" or "AA" coming out of the Ford factory at Dearborn. No one had time to look through 1000's of engines for an "AX" prefixed engine...Again, it would be interesting to know the frame number to corilate with this engine and its number.

There were three (3) Coupe types for 1931, Standard Coupe (45-B), DeLuxe Coupe (45-BD) and the Sport Coupe (50-B);

For the 1931 St. Louis plant production was Standard Coupe (2782); DeLuxe Coupe (523) and for the Sport Coupe (369);

The roll-down back window was standard on the Deluxe Coupe July 27, 1931 and optional for the Standard Coupe July 27, 1931.

So do you have a Deluxe or Standard Coupe?

Pluck
 
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jm29henry said:
I thought that the arch on door window was for a four door Murray and the strait ment Briggs I never new that it applied to other body styles,by 1931 the slant window were were now being sold as the first time that doors between Briggs and Murray could be interchanged between the two body builders
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That was always my belief as well. Any pictures to show the difference in the same year and model?
 
Stewart
I dropped you a private message. Not sure if you are in the at Louis area as I am.
Check your Pms
Larry Shepard
 
no Murray bodies have been documented for a coupe
Ford and Briggs made them
all doors for all 30-31 coupes are the same
tom
 
To all:
Many assumptions have been clarified.
First, the "AX" was the frame number, not the engine number (my fault in description).
Second, the body is not a Murray, just a Ford body (again, my error).
Thirdly, it is a Deluxe Coupe with original cowl lights when my father bought it for $1 in 1961 in Western Kentucky. I discovered the "STL" marking when I stripped it down and noticed it was also marked "AX". This was under the driver's seat.
And finally, I knew it was from April 1931, but figured it was assembled in June since it was experimental. I assumed the July 1931 roll down back window date was July 1st, not July 27. It is an original roll down back window and the body had a special bracket to route the water drain tubing from the window tray to a hole in the body.

So, can we narrow the date of assembly in St Louis any closer?
Sincerely, Stew Wade
 
Thanks for the clarification.

There are some other "key" things to note:

Check this out for some frame information that may or may not be on your frame for your time period:

http://www.plucks329s.org/pdf/frame/Evolution_of_the_frame_Assembly2.pdf

Does your coupe have a indented firewall or not?

If you review the Ford Service Bulletins, I think there is a couple of other "key" additions or changes made within the cowl section and rear section of the body for ID'ing purposes.

Pluck

Pluck
 
Pluck,
My coupe has the indented firewall.
I will have to compare my coupe frame with my sedan frame to verify differences. Thanks for the frame article.
Stewart
PS: I myself love American Flyer S Gauge trains:)
 
. Stewart,
For some unknown reason all of the Ford bodied cars assembled at the St Louis plant had the letters AX before the STL (plant code for St Louis). I have collected several codes from St Louis and they all have AXSTL. Rich Bell had collected some engine and frame numbers that had AX rather than A or AA and most seemed to be located in the new england states.
Regards,
Dave
 
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