spark plugs

1931 flamingo

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Looking for what type/brand spark plugs most people with "drivers" are running. Stock engine, not interested in the 3x's (pricey, some dealers offer plugs for the "go" car. What are they? Don't want to start a hullabaloo on the barn, just need some suggestions. What "color should a used plug be for normal conditions?
Thanks in advance.
Paul in CT
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I was using Champion W16Y in my Model B with a Snyder's high compression head. They were always fouling up. I have since switched to Champion W89D and they have a nice light brown color to them when I checked them and no more fouling.
 
I also had problems with the W16's and do not use them any more One car has the Motorcraft plugs the others run W18. They all have a brownish color on the base.
 
I've got the Motorcraft plugs (the 'go' plugs Brattons and Snyders sell) with my Brumfield 5.9:1 head, and seem to have that nice light gray color on the electrodes so far (only 400 miles on the rebuild).
 
The color of plugs should be somewhere between light brown and grayish tan. However, slightly white may not be too bad unless it is "chalky white."

A little discussion is in order:

The heat range of a spark plug is the range of heat or the physical temperature of the plug itself from as cool as it may be to as hot as it may get when the engine is under load or higher speed. It has nothing to do with the intensity of the spark. Or in other words a "hot plug" does not mean hotter spark.

A plug that runs too cold will not keep deposits (carbon, soot, etc. that form when combustion takes place) off the plug electrode area. The physical temperature of the plug must be hot enough to keep these deposits burned off. Otherwise the plug will not spark properly or possibly not at all because the carbon, soot, etc. covers like insulation on a wire and the spark or "arc" can't overcome it. The color of a plug that's running too cold is "sooty" black or dark.

Keep in mind that my plug descriptions are for engines in good condition, correct carb mixture, good ignition, etc., etc..

A plug that is running too hot can turn chalky white or bright white. This can reduce the life of the plug or even cause the electrodes to burn up. A plug at these temperatures can also get hot enough to glow which can ignite the fuel mixture before the spark occurs (a.k.a. pre-ignition). This can be bad news, FAST.

Unlike detonation (which one can hear) pre-ignition can be and often is completely silent. In other words you won't hear it and the damage is done.

Here's how it works:

An engine can be running fine with a normal chamber temperature and no detonation even though the wrong heat range spark plug is getting hotter and hotter. If the plug gets hot enough to glow and the chamber temperature does not get hot enough to cause detonation there will be no ping or knock sound BUT there can be pre-ignition. The temperature in the chamber gets hot so fast that WELDING TEMPERATURES occur in just a few seconds. The result is a hole can melt right in the middle of an aluminum piston!

Now when detonation (knock sound or pings) occurs for other reasons often discussed by myself and others on this forum, pre-ignition can still be the end result. The excessive heat of detonation can lead into pre-ignition by making even a correct heat range plug glow along with other combustion chamber parts. So here come the melted pistons same as above, not to mention the damage that the previous detonation or just detonation in general can do, i.e., beat the babbitt out, crack the pistons, crack the insulators on the spark plugs, etc..

The reason pre-ignition causes high heat so fast is because the piston coming up on the compression stroke is trying to compress a burning fuel mixture that is expanding against it trying to push back.

The moral of the story is just don't screw in any spark plug just because it fits the hole and sparks. Conduct a heat range test to determine what's best if you are not sure.


Larry B.
 
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The 3Xs are worth the money because they come apart for cleaning and they look great. You will never have to buy sparkplugs again. I have restored, 80 year old, original 3Xs in 3 of my drivers and they work fine.
 
My Coupe came with Motorcraft ( Auto-lite ) TT-10 plugs; these are the Motorcraft "go" plug sold by Bratton, Synder, and probably others.

2500 miles under my command, no fouling; engine has 81,000 miles, and burns oil.

Might not be the optimum plug, but so far they're working...

Dad used the same Champion W-18 plug in his Gravely model L for over forty years... (many, many hours on that machine.)

I would like a set of 3X in my car, but I can't stomach $30 / plug right now. Will look in the swap-meets.

To elaborate a bit on interpreting the condition of your spark plugs - tan to gray indicates acceptable heat range and good combustion; sooty-black, indicates rich mixture / cold plug /short trips where the motor never gets hot /stays hot; oily-shiny black/chunky-black - the engine is using oil, this may mask true mixture & heat range conditions; light-gray to white, often with blistered insulator and severe electrode erosion indicates too high a heat-range.

For years, many folks would try using a hotter plug in an old, tired oil-burner, to try to prevent / delay oil fouling.

Try to use the "normal" plug first.

I will pull my plugs today, just to see what they look like...

SC Frank



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After trying W16Y's in all my cars with poor performance I went back to 3X's. No more problems. Yeah , pricy but well woth the cost. IMHO. ken
 
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To elaborate a bit on interpreting the condition of your spark plugs - tan to gray indicates acceptable heat range and good combustion; sooty-black, indicates rich mixture / cold plug /short trips where the motor never gets hot /stays hot; oily-shiny black/chunky-black - the engine is using oil, this may mask true mixture & heat range conditions; light-gray to white, often with blistered insulator and severe electrode erosion indicates too high a heat-range.

For years, many folks would try using a hotter plug in an old, tired oil-burner, to try to prevent / delay oil fouling.

Try to use the "normal" plug first.

I will pull my plugs today, just to see what they look like...

SC Frank

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"Reading the plugs" can be used to determine all sorts of engine problems. BUT, it must be known that the correct plug was used to start with before any problems occurred.

Larry B.
 
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I agree, People that drive at high speeds for long distances with plugs that are TOO hot run the risk of burning a hole in a piston. We mostly don't drive over 50mph. I modify my model A for better hill climbing ability and that extra power whenever I need or want it.

Actually I learned what I know about spark plugs from reading your posts, years ago.
 
Currenly running Autolite 3076. Have a new set of 3X put up for later. Bought a box of 20 autolites at a farm auction for $3. After the engine is brought back up to snuff with the stipe cam and BF head I will be testing heat ranges. Then will likely have to do it again later when I add the downdraft. Rod
 
I agree, People that drive at high speeds for long distances with plugs that are TOO hot run the risk of burning a hole in a piston. We mostly don't drive over 50mph. I modify my model A for better hill climbing ability and that extra power whenever I need or want it.

Actually I learned what I know about spark plugs from reading your posts, years ago.


Thanks Purdy, but you didn't get a complete grasp (or maybe I didn't explain enough).

You don't have to drive long distances at high speeds to burn a hole in a piston. A plug that's way too hot can get that way pretty fast at moderate speeds in short distances.


Larry B.
 
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In our lead free gas environement do you still get plugs that are white -I never seem to get a white exhaust pipe anymore like I used to when we had good old lead
 
Larry, does the choice of gasoline make much difference for the plug choice? I typically run Premium gas, because our local gas station offers the non-oxygenated gas in Premium grade and I avoid the ethanol that way. I know it reduces knocking/pinging, but never thought about heat-range for plugs.
 
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