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Larry Jenkins

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My first two Model As were shot with Ditzler lacquer using a Binks Model 7 gun.

Will the Binks 7 work with the 1 part Concept paint? If not, please tell me what would be required and why. Please..

Larry
 
PPG Concept is not a one part paint. It has to be catalyzed and thinned a little with a reducer. I use an Anest-Awata LP400 spray gun with a 1.3 tip. This is a high end gun, but worth it to me. I also use disposable cups. Using disposable cups at $1 or $1.50 per cup makes cleanup quite quick and easy. Gravity feed spray guns don't waste as much expensive paint, as more of the paint is transferred to the item being sprayed, as you spray closer to the item. Gravity feed spray guns are high volume, low pressure, so you need a decent sized compressor. Moisture filters are critical as you probably already know. I am not a professional painter, but I have spray painted two model A's so far and they turned out well. Colorsanding almost always takes care of any minor flaws.
 
Your Binks # 7 will work just fine with this paint. If it is metallic, the agitating cup is a plus if you have it. I still have my #7 but haven't used it in a few years as the hvlp guns use so much less paint, they save me money in my shop
 
Bill's Auto Works said:
Your Binks # 7 will work just fine with this paint. If it is metallic, the agitating cup is a plus if you have it. I still have my #7 but haven't used it in a few years as the hvlp guns use so much less paint, they save me money in my shop
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Thank you Bill.

Which HVLP gun do you have? I have a 5 CFM compressor.

Larry
 
I've sprayed plenty of epoxy primer and Imron with my Binks 7. Keep in mind it is not a HVLP so you will have more atomized overspray, giving maybe 20% less yield. I have several different needles, air, and fluid nozzles (three variables). The right combo of those parts in your gun, along with different air pressure adjustment will give you an even, thin, wet, orange peel free finish with any catalyzed or other automotive finish.

The Binks 7 is a siphon gun, with the can at the bottom rather than the top like most HVLP's, but that's a matter of individual preference. I assume you've read the manual? Here's a LINK. The nozzle/needle chart is on page seven.
 
Yes it will just fine, I use a Devbliss JGA siphon feed gun and I use all the modern paints with it. Even if a little paint goes in to the air and waste it, it is still cheaper than buying a new gun, plus I don't like the way the HVLP guns apply paint not as smooth as the siphon feed guns. I have 3 Devbliss guns, 1 JGA and 2 MBC guns and 1 sharp gun. Sharp is just a primer gun. I have only been painting cars since 1966.
 
Remember all catalyzed paint have Isocianites (spelling) which are made from cyanide
and a supplied air respirator should be worn. Get a MSDS sheet from your paint supplier and read and heed it.
 
Larry Jenkins said:
Thank you Bill.

Which HVLP gun do you have? I have a 5 CFM compressor.

Larry
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Larry, I have a Devillbis, a Sata & several cheapies I use for primers, jams, etc.

Marvin, you might try a different tip on your gun if the hvlp is not laying down the finish you desire. A disposable mask will be just fine, some people look like they are going to the moon when they paint. To each his own, please do not turn this into one of those "wear your seatbelt, don't Jaywalk, etc, etc,etc post. I am sure Larry is an adult & he can make his own decision on his protection.
 
The 2K paints, including primers, have isocyanates.

According to a researcher I talked to, the charcoal masks do filter out the isocyanates. The problem is they tend to be not properly fitted.

I would recommend that you move a lot of air which is better for the paint anyway as you want to move out the over spray. You also want to wear a suit as the number one and two sources of dirt are the thing you are painting and your clothes.

Now as far as hazards you have two from the chemicals in paint. You have the solvents that kill the brain and various organs. Then the Isos which cause an allergic reaction. This starts with slight chest pressure a while after exposure and with each subsequent exposure it gets worse till you die of industrial asthma. The number one exposure of isos is through the skin while mixing.

I recommend the pressure mask even though it is very expensive. In truth, they have a very high resale value. So you could buy a used unit and keep it for a while then resell it with not much loss in cash. Something to keep in mind.

Know the dangers and how to handle them. Keep safe.
 
A simple upgrade to help painting. Change to the 3/8" quick couplers. This avoids the pressure drop just after opening the air on the gun. The 1/4" couplers just do not flow the air as well. Learned the hard way.
 
Larry Jenkins said:
Which HVLP gun do you have? I have a 5 CFM compressor.Larry
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I just painted my '31 roadster with an Eastwood Concours LT gun with a 1.3 tip and got excellent results using acrylic lacquer base and clear.
This gun only needs 4 cfm and 30 psi at the gun. It's great for those with small compressors. I used my HF 29 gallon compressor with an oil and water filter and had plenty of capacity.
 
MikeK said:


The Binks 7 is a siphon gun, with the can at the bottom rather than the top like most HVLP's, but that's a matter of individual preference. I assume you've read the manual? Here's a LINK. The nozzle/needle chart is on page seven.
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Actually the Binks Model 7, or 18, 2001 etc, are either Pressure or Siphon, depending on the Air Cap. If it starts with P it is pressure only, S caps may be used with Siphon or pressure.

I primarily use my Model 18 with a pressure pot, such as a Model 80 2 quart pot, but more paint is generally being used also.

Darryl in Fairbanks
 
Bill's Auto Works said:
Larry, I have a Devillbis, a Sata & several cheapies I use for primers, jams, etc.

Marvin, you might try a different tip on your gun if the hvlp is not laying down the finish you desire. A disposable mask will be just fine, some people look like they are going to the moon when they paint. To each his own, please do not turn this into one of those "wear your seatbelt, don't Jaywalk, etc, etc,etc post. I am sure Larry is an adult & he can make his own decision on his protection.
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I use an older American Optical (AO) charcoal filter with replaceable cartridges. Never smelled any lacquer back then..

Larry
 
Larry,
I have used the 3M version for many 25 + years, but while I was @ SEMA a coule of weeks ago I ran across a company named Gerson. There version uses very soft silicone for the part that seals to your face as well as "hygiene guard" which goes inside while not in use. the price of $25.00 aprox is good as well. I will be ordering one soon. They also have replaceable filters as well.
 
Bill's Auto Works said:
Larry,
I have used the 3M version for many 25 + years, but while I was @ SEMA a coule of weeks ago I ran across a company named Gerson. There version uses very soft silicone for the part that seals to your face as well as "hygiene guard" which goes inside while not in use. the price of $25.00 aprox is good as well. I will be ordering one soon. They also have replaceable filters as well.
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Thank you, Bill.. Modern technology at work..

Larry
 
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