Russian Motor in a 31 Cabriolet

Yup, my block has those markings on the left side "M-6015"

Hey Phaeton,
I've got one of the original imported GAZ complete B engines...(covered in cosmoline), that Joe imported. One of maybe 50 or so.
It has been running in my '30 roadster for over 10 yrs, with only 2500 mi on it now. I stripped it down and used the nos block with all high end parts to build a rock solid powerful B, with tooo much $ sunk into it ! Strong reliable runner that I built for long distance running, but never did.

You didn't answer the question of....which front timing cover do you have on this block, i.e.- A or B ? Makes a big difference in exactly what you are saying about TIMING, eh ! After reading all of your remarks about all the A stuff that someone put on this block, I'm thinking that just maybe 'they' put an A timing cover on also. Most likely stripping the A block that they were replacing with this B and adding A stuff on.

I'm also in Socal. If you have any questions and think that I can help, PM me :)
 
Has this been a problem since you bought the car, or did this problem just start? The way you phrased your first sentence, I would assume the car came with this problem. That means the previous owner couldn't find the source, either, and simply sold the car.
He probably had tried all the things you have, likewise without success.
While reading the list of symptoms and what you did to correct the misfiring and backfiring, like post #8, I suspected the carburetor. Possibly a passageway inside the carburetor is plugged. That would still allow a nice idle, but when more demand for fuel is needed, the plugged passageway will not flow enough fuel = misfire. I know some guys have had success just blowing out passageways with compressed air, but I have also encountered Zenith carbs (and most Tillotsons) that needed the lower passageway to be drilled out because of accumulated crud. No amount of compressed air or soaking in carb cleaner will get rid of this crud. The brass plugs must be drilled out and a wire, drill bit or small brush inserted into the passageways to "scrub" them clean. It has already been suggested to try a known good carb. If you have a local Model A guy with a carb he'll loan you for a temporary swap, go that route. If no improvement, then at least you can rule out the carburetor and concentrate on other areas.
Does the car have an auxiliary water temperature gauge or oil pressure gauge, perhaps anchored at the bottom of the instrument panel? A strange question, I admit. But one with a reason for asking. I restored a 1930 Coupe for a doctor friend in Phoenix 20 years ago. After I moved away, the doctor died and the family sold the car. It showed up here in Iowa - but with a constant misfire/backfire that wasn't there when I gave the good doctor his finished car. The place that now owned the car asked me to find the misfire. I spent a great deal of time trying to track down the source of the misfire. Of course, the usual suspects were checked out, but nothing helped. Like you, I was really becoming frustrated. Then I noticed something that I had not installed when restoring the car. The doctor had put in an accessory water temperature gauge mounted at the bottom of the instrument panel. There was an electrical wire running to the terminal box for power to operate the gauge's light. While re-installing the instrument panel for umpteenth time in an effort to find the source of the misfire, I neglected to hook this wire back up. Upon starting the engine and driving the car, NO misfire, NO backfiring! Hurray, I thought. I noticed the wire's connection dangling, so I re-connected it. Guess what!? Yup - the engine started misfiring again. Aha! Disconnecting the wire again resulted in no misfire. For some reason that only an electrical guru could probably explain, connecting that water temperature light wire was causing a misfire in the ignition system. Everything happens to me. :(
I am not saying this is your problem, but if you truly have tried everything and the misfire remains, before dumping the car on Craig's List, disconnect any auxiliary wires to accessory electrical items. Don't give up! There IS a reason why this is happening and it is probably a very simple thing. Once you find it, you'll kick yourself for not thinking of that right away. But you will also come away with one heck of a feeling of satisfaction that you stuck it out and solved the problem. That is priceless.
Marshall
 
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Thanks again guys. I'm in Pomona California. I noticed this morning I now have motor oil on my block coming from the seem in the front under the water outlet...guess I need a head gasket as well! This car has sat since 1990 so all of this shouldn't be a surprise. Pulling the head may also give me a chance to really see the valves. I run MMO in my gas at all times per posts I read from here.
 
There isn't any oil running in the area of the front head gasket seam.

What color are the spark plugs?

Guess I wouldn't have been so quick to pull the head, but can you post pictures of what you see, such as pistons and combustion chambers, and spark plug color?
 
"Maybe, but if it is a GAZ, it would be "Stalin", not backfiring"

OOOO!! Ouch!!! I LOVE it!!! But you really shouldn't be "Russian" to such conclusions!
Marshall, who always goes for the obvious
 
Okay Marshall! It must be backfiring because I can hear it PUTIN through the carburetor! HAR HAR

I didn't pull the head yet, if there's no oil in the front I have no clue unless it's waterpump grease. Beyond frustrating for a newbie. I'm convinced it's electrical but then I quesation why it will rev higher if I open the GAV a few turns. If it we're electrical it should breakdown regardless.

On weird note...I reversed the coil wires thinking maybe it was on backwards and it made no difference at all in how it runs. Plugs are black.

The ghost of Henry Ford and Stalin are laughing at this car for sure.
 
How do you tell the difference between an A or B timing cover? I used a timing light and it sounds good but....still not running right.
 
Okay, after searching for comparison photos it looks like I have a timing cover to an "A" engine on a Russian "b" motor. Would 19 degrees difference cause backfiring? Until I can swap a model B cover I need to figure out how to guesstimate the correct timing. What I don't know is if a US cam gear was also swapped with the timing cover.

Can I just eyeball the piston position for TDC through the sparkplug hole and use that for timing?
 
Okay, after searching for comparison photos it looks like I have a timing cover to an "A" engine on a Russian "b" motor. Would 19 degrees difference cause backfiring? Until I can swap a model B cover I need to figure out how to guesstimate the correct timing. What I don't know is if a US cam gear was also swapped with the timing cover.

Can I just eyeball the piston position for TDC through the sparkplug hole and use that for timing?
From your picture of the distributer in the first post it looks like it is a Model A distributer and that means you should use the A timing cover. How about a few better shots of your distributer or do you know what it is? To the best of my knowledge all of the timing gears were the the same. Just the timing cover was different between the A and B.

Charlie Stephens
 
You need the timing mark to match the distributor you have. If it's an A distributor you need the timing pin to locate at TDC, if you have a B distributor the pin needs to be in the other position. It's very straightforward to check if your timing pin locates at TDC or BTDC, I used a plastic zip tag to feel the piston crown. Looking at photos convinced me that I had a B timing cover and an A distributor but the pin slotted in at TDC so the rest was straightforward.
 
How do you tell the difference between an A or B timing cover? I used a timing light and it sounds good but....still not running right.

Yup, timing will be different if WRONG cover is used.
If you can not see the two covers to know difference, I have both A/B front covers that I can take side/side photo of and put it here for you. Let me know if wanted.

BTW... I use a timing light and crank marking system to time all engines that I've ever had.
I'm thinking that you will find out some valuable information....by locating TDC on piston #1. Then looking at where your current timing is set. Might startle you and might explain why /how timing is set wrong with wrong front cover.
 
I know I have both a model A distributor (new style I just installed) and I know I have an "A" style timing cover from the photos I've seen. So from what you've posted it would seem my timing is correct. Still no reason for it to backfire over 2200rpm.
 
Update: I can see tiny bubbles coming from this seem while the engine is running. Have to believe it's time for a head gasket? What else could cause this? :confused:
 

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Look at the holes in the side of you oil fill/breather cap. Most likely the oil fumes are blowing out the cap and onto the block.

Wipe the block clean, put a sock over the oil fill cap, and see if that helps.
 
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