Remove rear wheel sleeve

ped58

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OK, on to another project.....The right rear wheel bearing and sleeve looks to have been repaired before, looks like I have to repair it again.
Big question is ....how do I remove the sleeve so I can put a hub repair kit on? The other side is in good shape...
 

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I've never done one on an axle but on machinery I just heat them
with a torch and slide them off.

Bob
 
OK, on to another project.....The right rear wheel bearing and sleeve looks to have been repaired before, looks like I have to repair it again.
Big question is ....how do I remove the sleeve so I can put a hub repair kit on? The other side is in good shape...


This does not look like it has a sleeve on it. The end of the housing looks stock from what I can see. To repair you would have to turn down and machine to accept the current repair sleeve. The other alternative is to look/use a better housing. Either way it's apart and your subject to a complete rear axle rebuild/repair as necessary. If one side is bad most likely the other is as well. If it's a little galded they will run for a while on it with good grease.. just keep an eye on it.

Larry Shepard
 
First I do not see a repair sleeve. If it has one it has to be heated. General they are glued in place with a Loctite product. The kit comes with 660 Loctite.
 
If you look at the last picture in the center of the bevel,above the K, it
looks like there is a line all the way around. Could be the sleeve.

Bob
 
Tom, you're thinking of the aftermarket sleeves for the hub. Not the sleeve for the bearing. These finish off after placement (and about 0.004 expansion for the press fit) at the same diameter as the inner race was originally. And you use the same bearing (new, of course) as was used originally.

This may not be sleeved. It is REAL hard to tell. Some early axles (the ones without any reinforcement on the pumpkin) have an actual sleeve and it was made that way intentionally - but later ones do not. (cost cutting move by Ford)

The solution is to turn off the sleeve on the lathe. You don't have any assurance that the new sleeve is at all adapted to fit on the previously machined/turned smaller axle anyway, so it's best to simply treat it as a solid axle (that may be what it is) and just turn down and sleeve using the new sleeve as a guide for machining. I think 0.004 interference fit is a good guide - and what my automotive machinist used - along with loctite and a modest amount of heat on the sleeve beforehand. (he was looking for 250F on the sleeve - at 400F the loctite degrades.)

If you're convinced there may be a previous sleeve - WATCH YOUR TEMPS when doing the turning in the lathe. Get the existing sleeve too hot and it will catch and spin - which will ruin your machinist's day for sure.

So it may be possible to have TWO sleeves when you're done - one put on over the other. But I don't think it's an issue if done correctly.

OBTW, on my axle, one side the axle bearing was found out of round by like 0.025, the other side like 0.002 - so it is possible for one side to wear more than the other.

Maybe the vagaries of the axle forging process? Or an extremely heavy mother-in-law who consistently rides in the passenger front seat?

Joe K
 
The bearing hubs look to be in bad shape. I agree with those that said there is no sleeve on the hub. I would not use the axle housings in this condition. The least expensive way to go is to find some serviceable replacements.

You can also send the axle housings to Bratton's and they will install sleeves on them for you.

You can also buy the sleeves from Bratton's and find a local machine shop to install them for you. Unless the shop speaks Model A I would not have them do the work. They will likely overcharge you and do it wrong.

Tom Endy
 
The axle housing race appears to be sleeved. The sleeve may have been too soft and has a few scars. Who knows about the quality and hardness of the repro accessory repair sleeves. The axle housing bearing races carry the weight of the car and wear on the bottom and interfere with the rear brakes. When the bottom of the housing race wears enough it will cause the drums to drag the bottom of the rear brake shoes. To install the housing sleeve, the axle housing must be turned down in a lathe. the hub bearing appears original There is a replacement hub bearing that has the same inside diameter but a smaller outside diameter and uses a sleeve to take up wear inside the hub. these replacement bearing is 1936 Ford, I believe. These sleeves are not much larger than the original bearind and usually can be pressed in the hub without any machining and glued in place with locktite. See this bearing on page 5 of Brattons catalog part number 1820 . Therear axle housing race is also on page 5 part number 1840. I hope that this will clear up the confusion about the bearing and the two different sleeves and how they are used.
 
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