New Rust starting

bobmc

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Just picked up the coupe from the media blaster a couple of days ago. Here in Pa the day time temp's are in the high 30's. The car was primmered after meda blasting, and i had a tarp on it on the way home ( 45 minute ride). It was not rainning but the roads had traces of water run off from the snow melt. Car was unloaded into my heated garage (55degrees).

My problem is I am now starting to see signs of rust in spots where the primmer was thin. Like the seam along the rain gutter.

Any ideas on what to do now? Really don't want to go back to the blaster again!

Thanks
 
Get a towel and wipe with Metal Cleaner PPG DX579 [METAL PREP]. Make sure before you prime you sand litely and wipe with a thinner to take any Metal cleaner that might be still on you car.
 
Wire brush to metal and use OSPHO on it I would have not primed it until it got a coat of OSPHO but now just fight the rust. You should top coat soon as most primers are somewhat porous.
 
I've have used Dupont Metal Conditioner on new bare metal and sand blasted fenders prior to priming and have had good results. The new bare metal wasn't primed for several years and never developed any rust on the surface. It is not necessary to remove the conditioner prior to priming like some metal etch.

I live in snow country at 3500' elevation and we have lots of moisture in the air.

This has worked for me, maybe someone else has a better idea or method.

Ron
 
bobmc , You might try some Metal Prep ( phosporic acid ) . I spray it on from a spray bottle and wipe off excess after allowing to work . You should be able to get some from your paint supplier or from the paint department of a home remodeling store. My favorite brand is JACO prep and primer. I would probably ask my paint supplier about compatably and if you need to sand off the primer. Another thing you might try is a scotch pad and re prime. I would also be concerned that no salt residue is on the metal. Good Luck Bubby Sharp in KY
 
The car will not leave the heated garage until restoration finished, and car is painted. Still think my July deadline is reachable, trying to make the family reunion. Not manny old relatives left. Car has been in the family for some time now.

55 degrees is the coldest temp the car will see, as I turn up the heat when out there working. Primmered the car to avoid this problem knowing I had a 45 minute drive home. Didn't want to bring a freshley blasted naked skinned body home in the conditions we had. Didn't know what else to do. Blaster had no solutions, it was suggestion to primmer.

Hope one of your suggestions stops the rust that I didn't have before!
thanks
 
Did you metal prep and clean the sandblasted metal good before you primered it? And what kind of primer did you use?
 
Mitch
The blaster primmered for me, at my request. Don't know if any conditioner was applied prior to paint?
 
Forget to mention , the metal conditioner I use " DUPONT 5717S " , it comes in a quart container and they recommend mixing 2 quarts of water to 1 quart conditioner. When applied as recommended it effectively removes grease, rust and corresion. Inhibits the formation the of rust under the paint and etches the metal to improve adhesion. Have been using this product over 20 years with good results.

Ron

Ron
 
Primer is truly one of the most misunderstood products in the car industry.
Epoxy primer is the only one I can think of which would have protected you & it seems like you got something less.
With reams of information available on the topic of primer, I won't waste time here...the answers are at your fingertips for those who think the base upon which your entire body & paint will adhere is important.
The part which I'd like to explain is about the rusty seam at the rain gutter. NO amount of media blasting with remove the rust sandwiched between metal panels...such as the rain gutter. It simply can't.
Unless you drill out the spots welds & grind it away....or can somehow flush enough acids through the tight areas and thus rid the rust and hopefully convert any remaining traces to a stable compound...it stays there forever, to re-emerge with the slightest hint of moisture unless it's encapsulated someow and kept dry.
After the above mentioned it should have epoxy primer flowed into the seams then propelled deeper with a blow gun. To further ensure the rust doesn't creep out, one could apply a good quality, thin seam sealer to further ensure any rust traces stay buried.
Meanwhile back at the primer... Soft porous primers will absorb water like a sponge and hold it against the metal...ATTRACTING moisture even and creating rust. I recently learned of a fella finishing his primered car for paint... by wetsanding. That's a very risky move and a basic understanding of primers will make it clear that the absorbed water from sanding could very possiblely make the final paint blister as rust grows from pores and/or trapped moisture tries to escape.
Mitch you are lucky at least to have noticed it at an early stage and now have a chance to restrip it & use a correct product.
Did not the media blaster fella warn you the primer isn't waterproof? Maybe you guys could reach a deal where he blasts off the garbage primer and you supply some epoxy?
I'd maybe consider doing some research on this important step & also try to stick with the same product line from primer to paint. In other words choose you paint brand NOW and use the directions and products they outline in their instruction sheet. As already mentioned, etch or washing acids with phosphoric content play an important role to prep your metal for primer. The instructions vary with different acid products and must be adhered to closely to ensure close adhesion...(pun intended)

For what it's worth... I've worked over a dozen years in a body shop fixing & painting (and guaranteeing) rusty cars.
...and now 19 years & counting in my autoglass business, dealing with rust around hundreds of windshields each year. Please understand I'm not bragging, in fact ANYTHING to do with fixing rust is just a dirty, messy, demanding job that puts one in constant contact with nasty chemicals and toxic mists & dust.
Hence it just doesn't make sense doing the job twice.
 
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