old ugly. California Travieso and Y-Blockhead. I tried to keep going in the same thread but it looked to me like the thread was getting hyjacked and headed in all kinds of different directions. I really appreciate the great information provided in this forum (especially you three and Joe K, JayJay, rotowrench and nKaminar, to name a few), I'm 81 (probably younger than a lot of you) and not as sharp as I used to be, so when the responses get too varied and not specifically answering my question, I get lost. In the future I will do as you say cause I definately don't want to piss anyone off. I thot I had everything figured out and was going to put Mike's repair kit into my good housing so I assembled everything and the shaft wouldn't turn so I am back to suggestions I asked in post #17 in my "Water Pump Question" post.