Model T frame;
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garrisonm89@yahoo.com
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There's a lot of ways to tell some groups of years. But to pinpoint the exact year is a little rough if it doesn' have a motor in it. I can tell you a couple things and maybe others can add some.
Most of the '26 and '27s have their serial numbers stamped into the frames. The earlier years don't. Their motors have the serial number on them. There are some other subtle differences. The later models have the bigger brake drums on them. If there's a motor in them the tops of the hogs heads have a couple more holes in them and in some years it sound like they have bolts in them and in some years the holes are there the block is tapped.
One of the best tools for looking up the year of your T would be the MTFCA encyclopedia. Most of the design changes throughout the years are detailed. You should be able to find it on the MTFCA website.
One last thing. I believe your frame will work for just about any year of model t. And to most builders the year doesn't mean much unless they're part of the group that have their cars judged to see if they're correct. Also you say frontend and backend. Can you define what you mean a little better. Maybe post a picture.
Most of the '26 and '27s have their serial numbers stamped into the frames. The earlier years don't. Their motors have the serial number on them. There are some other subtle differences. The later models have the bigger brake drums on them. If there's a motor in them the tops of the hogs heads have a couple more holes in them and in some years it sound like they have bolts in them and in some years the holes are there the block is tapped.
One of the best tools for looking up the year of your T would be the MTFCA encyclopedia. Most of the design changes throughout the years are detailed. You should be able to find it on the MTFCA website.
One last thing. I believe your frame will work for just about any year of model t. And to most builders the year doesn't mean much unless they're part of the group that have their cars judged to see if they're correct. Also you say frontend and backend. Can you define what you mean a little better. Maybe post a picture.
yachtsmanbill
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Mainly the 26-7 frame has a wayyy longer crossmember in the back, 2 rivets on the brake ratchet, and frame end fender mounts on the front riveted on. The front axle will USUALLY have a lowered axle on the spindles by 1-1/2" and the front motor mount has a single 3/8 bolt hole tapped for the radiator apron not to rattle.
The 26-7 rear end also has a "splayed" radius rod fork. Hope this helps... Nothing babbited on the fram thank God! Altho theres some kids that need to play with mercury! LOL ws
The 26-7 rear end also has a "splayed" radius rod fork. Hope this helps... Nothing babbited on the fram thank God! Altho theres some kids that need to play with mercury! LOL ws
garrisonm89@yahoo.com
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So what? It's fun. If you pour some out on a flat surface it rolls around like liquid but nothing really sticks or get wet. It actually has a kind of sweet taste to it like the lead in paint or well not really like antifreeze it's just that antifreeze tastes kind of sweet too. So did you and Scott get stoned today?
yachtsmanbill
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Not yet!! I said we were getting STONE today, but tonights another story! Hope the pipes are clean!
In military school (!) we used to polish the collar brass and dip it in mercury... made them look silver plated. ws
In military school (!) we used to polish the collar brass and dip it in mercury... made them look silver plated. ws
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Good idea.
yachtsmanbill
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Its all pre 1926... wood wheel hubs and a pre 26 rear end with small drums and an closed early style driveshaft thrust bearing which I think is pre 1922 blocked of for a trailer job. Are there bolts holes towards the back for a battery frame? I see a frame ground lug back there... ws
Steve Jelf
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The handbrake pawl is 1909-1925. The front perches are 1919-1925. The non-stock crosspieces in the middle of the frame are to adapt the thing for use as a wagon. The cover bolted on the pinion bearing housing suggests that the inside of the rear axle may be OK, but if it's going to be used in a car it's likely to need new thrust washers at the very least.
garrisonm89@yahoo.com
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Later than 1917, the radius rods mount under the front axle.
Most likely the 'transitional' frame, dating from late 1919 to about 1921. There are the three holes on the side to fit the earlier forged running board brackets, yet also holes on the top for the channel press steel brackets, and the front edge has side holes for the frame to firewall brackets used after 1917.
That frame has many extra holes drilled it too......looks like it may have been used in later life as a trailer chassis. And has those strap brackets that look like supports used for accessory transmissions added to the rear of the Ford engine.
That frame has many extra holes drilled it too......looks like it may have been used in later life as a trailer chassis. And has those strap brackets that look like supports used for accessory transmissions added to the rear of the Ford engine.