Model A Is So Loud

wayne1426

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I have a '30 Model A and it just seems so loud. The muffler looks to be in very good shape with no holes and no rust on it at all so I don't think that's the problem. And, on the advice of a local friend who also has one, I just put a new manifold and manifold gasket on it two weeks ago so I guess I don't think that's the problem either. It is certainly quieter now than it was before the new manifold and gasket but it is still much louder than other Model A's and T's I know about and hear running once in a while. I've only had this car 3 years and wasn't really aware of how loud it was until I've spent some time this summer with some other cars of the same vintage. Any advice, ideas, or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
Good Morning. I had the same problem. After installing new gaskets it was still loud. After feeling around the manifold/muffler joint (while cold :eek::eek:) I found some carbon soot. Tightening the joint did no good. Then I installed an exhaust sleeve I got from Snyder's and that did the trick.

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/search.php?q=A-5234&x=25&y=9

I also re-tourqed the manifold gasket a few times after driving (again while cold) and found them loose. I used the copper gasket sandwich (asbestos? with copper on the outside) for late 31.

http://www.snydersantiqueauto.com/2467

Nice and quiet now...

Good Luck.
 
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a noise can be many different things.. moving or not moving, idle vs raising rpms, etc i think more detailed info would help us
 
I don't know how helpful this may or may not be to your exact situation, but it might be helpful in other ways.

Shortly after buying my (then) abused and worn out 31 Tudor, I started hanging out around a couple of Model A clubs seeking advice and ideas and tips. I remember immediately noticing how some Model As are loud and some are quiet, but not severely so. Some Model A's sounded like a modern Toyota while others sounded like a Model T with loose valves. Then, one night, I remember a guy pulling in to one of the meetings in a Model A that was so quiet, you couldn't even tell it was running. All you could hear was the rocks and pavement under the tires! Stunning.

Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to talk to that car's owner, but I did speak to some other club members after that and got some good tips on why his car was so quiet. Most people just thought I was being obsessive about the noise, some going so far as to make fun of me. However, I knew by example it COULD be done. So, here's what I discovered-

1. You want a black steel Aries muffler. The stainless one has a "ring" to it that the black steel one doesn't and makes the them louder than the steel. The cheap ones and the old ones have a nice "Model A sound", but are not quiet like the Aries.

2. You want a recently rebuilt (correctly) babbit bearing motor. The motors with insert bearings are not as quiet as the babbit ones. I don't know why, and there are plenty of theories, but it is repeatably so.

3. Use the thick manifold gaskets (the mid/late 1931 type). I don't know why, but switching to the late model gaskets really do make a difference. Make sure the manifolds are perfectly faced and flush. Use muffler sealant on the block side of the gaskets.

4. Use the sealant as recommended when installing your Aries muffler. Do not use the "gasket" or the "sleeve" where the muffler meets the manifold. Just use the sealant and the "show quality" clamp.

5. Adjust your valves properly. Make sure your bearing clearances are tight.

6. Install a carburetor intake air filter. It doesn't matter which type, it seems. Just installing an Air Maze "elbow", even without the metal or paper element, will get rid of the carburetor "sucking" sound.

7. Replace worn motor mounts. The rubber gets hard as a rock over time. Using new pliable rubber on the motor mounts makes a lot of difference.

After doing all this (except for having an insert bearing motor instead of a babbit one), my Tudor is now as quiet as a Hybrid when at idle and moving slowly. It's sometimes fun to sneak up on people and hit the horn at the last second. I can actually hear the belt moving through the pulleys and the fan moving air through the radiator fins louder than I can hear the motor when standing in front of the car. Sometimes, when pulling to a stop, I have to glance at the ammeter to tell if the motor is still running.

At the rear of the car, you have to listen very closely to hear the exhaust when it's idling. If there is any street noise, you won't be able to hear your car running at all.

There IS a downside to all this. That is- Model A's have a very pleasant, distinct exhaust note and sound. Making the car "too quiet" pretty much makes this a whisper. That is, until you are going highway speeds. Then, just like any Model A, you pretty much need ear plugs to protect your hearing.
 
My original muffler seemed loud also. No rust out or holes. I have it all dissassembled at the moment, but do think it had more to with the connection between the manifold and the tail pipe. I likely will adress this closer upon re-assembly. On the old Fordbarn there was a picture of a tool posed. It cleaned up the pits and such on original manifolds and gave them the proper bevel. I do not remember who posted it but at the time I thought about sending them 2 or 3 of my manifolds to clean up the pits on the bevel. Just a thought and maybe to OP will repost the pic's and details. Rod
 
Thank you so much for your help and advice here. I wonder if I used the wrong or at least inadequate gasket between the manifold and the engine block. I bought a one piece gasket from Little Dearborn that's not at all like the copper looking two piece gasket shown in a link posted above. I also didn't use any sealant at all there. I did put a sleeve in the exhaust pipe where it connects to the manifold but I couldn't get the exhaust gasket I bought to go in there at all. I mean, I could get it in but then couldn't get the connecting bracket to go on. So I didn't use that. I don't know anything about an Aries muffler so will be looking into that. Some of the suggestions here are beyond my current level of expertise so I have some learning to do. But I appreciate the help and advice very much! Thank you all.
 
I did put a sleeve in the exhaust pipe where it connects to the manifold but I couldn't get the exhaust gasket I bought to go in there at all.

Wayne for what it's worth I couldn't get the gasket in there either. I did use the hi-temp Goop on the sleeve tho. No Goop on manifold gasket but like I said I had to re-torque it a couple of heat/cool down cycles.

One thing I forgot to mention is to make sure the muffler flange is straight on the manifold. Mine was off a little. I had to trim my Engine Pan a little for clearance.

In one of the catalogs I noticed a TIP on straighten the pipe. I'll see if I can locate it.

Even my wife commented on how quiet it was.
 
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It was in Mike's "A" FORD-ABLE

Note;
If you are having a problem with the muffler flange being out of align - stick a pipe down the neck of the muffler and change the 90° angle.
 
It was in Mike's "A" FORD-ABLE

Note;
If you are having a problem with the muffler flange being out of align - stick a pipe down the neck of the muffler and change the 90° angle.

That's what I had to do to help out a friend. I stood on the muffler while I pushed the pipe forward and bent the pipe flange about 1" forward.
 
Many a Model A and B have and exhaust manifold the shape of a banana ! When I acquired my B, 30 plus years ago, there was a blow from the manifold. I had this machined flat then turned up some stainless steel rings to fit between the manifold and the head. Combined with the exhaust manifold gasket there are now no leaks.

I think it's important to begin there particularly as any leak at the manifold will affect the running of the engine.

Hope that makes sense?
 
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