Model A engine installation

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Larry Jenkins

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I'll try to be more clear. The engine bolt thingy was because a wrong title was used. One that was copied form a catalog. That's all behind us.

Now, my engine install.

A prominent Model A engine rebuilder and installer suggested that before he helps me do the engine install, that I assemble the completed bell housing and ****** with the U joint installed to the drive shaft and hook up the clamshell and cup assembly.

Which I did.

His claim was that the engine, with the flywheel housing; flywheel; clutch plate and pressure plate assembled to the engine is easier to install.

I have no clue, but it sounds right. Your comments, please..

Hope this post is a little clearer.. ;)

Thank you!

Larry
 
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U-joint bolted to trans output shaft? Engine, trans installed as an assembly would be easier
With u-joint bolted to trans, then it will slide on drive shaft!
 
This is exactly how I installed my engine/transmission into the chassis. In fact is went in almost too easily. In fact, the universal and axial went together so quickly that I did not get a chance to align that gasket that goes between the shell of the trany and the shell from the axial tube.

This worked well for me.
 

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The u-joint has to be bolted up to the trans output shaft before install, so how can it first be assembled to the front driveshaft? The clam shells would go on after install..
That being said yes it would be fine installing the motor / trans as an assy,,, I do it that way especially with the body off
 
Make sure that you have the gaskets ready and even on the axial ready as the parts come together.
 

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Mitch//pa said:
The u-joint has to be bolted up to the trans output shaft before install, so how can it first be assembled to the front driveshaft? The clam shells would go on after install..
That being said yes it would be fine installing the motor / trans as an assy,,, I do it that way especially with the body off
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The U joint was installed before the connection. Fifth line down in my original post.

Please re-read my post. Seems like you are saying the ****** should be on the engine before install. I should not have said "front" drive shaft, but the drive shaft the U jolnt slips on to. Hope you're not playing with me again..

Larry
 
You edited your post at 8:27 from what was originally there at 7:55... QUOTE You said you were installing the engine and trans as a unit and wanted to assemble the u-joint to the front driveshaft first QUOTE ,,now it's just the trans... The next two posters read the same thing by their answers... I don't have time for word twisting and then be accused of messin,, put it in ,,it will go either way..
It's all nuts and bolts... I'm outta this Enjoy
I was just trying to help you out and not play with anyone...

I'm not sure you know the right terminology of the parts when you said front driveshaft...
A model A is 2 wheel drive not 4 wheel drive...
There is a drive shaft and a trans output shaft. No front driveshaft
 
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Mitch//pa said:
You edited your post at 8:27 from what was originally there at 7:55... You said you were installing the engine and trans as a unit ,,now it's just the trans... The next two posters read the same thing by their answers... I don't have time for word twisting,, put it in ,,it will go either way..
It's all nuts and bolts... I'm outta this Enjoy
I was just trying to help you out and not play with anyone...

I'm not sure you know the right terminology of the parts when you said front driveshaft...
A model A is 2 wheel drive not 4 wheel drive...
There is a rear drive shaft and a trans output shaft. No front driveshaft
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Removed post. Not worth the hassle any more. Will post a closing statement later.
 
FWIW: Different Engine Install Preparation Methods are Endless:

E. g.: Some soldiers were taught to put their pants on first, their socks and boots on next, go brush their teeth and shave and put their shirt on last ..... if shot at immediately after reveille , they could at least run out shooting with their pants and boots on.

And, some decided to shave and brush their teeth first, and .... if shot at immediately after reveille, they ran outside shooting bare footed with no boots on and no pants on.

Take your pick. Not much different.

I was taught by vintage mechanics to install the engine last with flywheel, flywheel cover, and make the connection to a fully assembled transmission & bell housing last and never incurred a problem with same ..... but what do I know about having boots on.
 
I don't understand? If the "prominent engine builder"is helping you install the engine, and he told you what he wanted done/set up before he helps, then why are you questioning whether others agree? Obviously that's how he wants to do it. There are many roads to Chicago! The important thing is to get there.
 
Larry - Where are you located? I live in the Quad Cities and I installed my motor myself a year ago. Feel free to message me and I will gladly give you a hand.
Curt
 
FWIW: Imagine:

Imagine any one of us trying to learn anything totally unknown to us ........ while searching on any Forum similar to Model A Forums.

One can just imagine that some can become confused after looking under "Search" and witnessing so many different opinions from so many different people.

Continuing to ask questions, whether they appear to some to be stupid questions .... or they appear to be intelligent questions by others keeps this Forum alive with multiple solutions.

The right way for one can appear to be the wrong way for others; however, similar small arguments intensified and later caused Europe's WWI & WWII destruction with close to 40 million soldiers buried .......... 40 million Dads who never saw their children grow up ....... sounds so dumb today.

At six years old, my first son asked me this first technical, mechanical question.

"If people makes tools ..... with tools ...... who made the first tools?"

Couldn't help but smile and hug him!
 
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H. L. Chauvin said:
I was taught by vintage mechanics to install the engine last with flywheel, flywheel cover, and make the connection to a fully assembled transmission & bell housing last and never incurred a problem with same ..
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I've done a bunch, some alone, doing it this way. May I suggest two pieces of all thread sticking out about an inch inch and a half (2.5 - 3 cm) to catch the bell housing and help guide it in. I cut a slit on one end of the all thread to use a flat bladed screwdriver in it's removal.
 
Just do what the prominent rebuilder / installer wants and get on with the project. If you differ from his request he is going to take a walk on you! Don't second guess the expert. Wayne
 
Larry,
There is more than one way to skin a cat. What your rebuilder is suggesting sounds fine but a word of advice if you install engine and gearbox complete with universal as a unit. DO NOT try to align the drive shaft and universal by putting your fingers in there. Once they align, they are likely to engage in a hurry and leave your fingers in side. Ouch!
 
Hi Mike,

Excellent point I failed to mention about useful alignment bolts.

We may have been advised to do it this way, (engine only), over 50 years ago because of better control while we were always using vintage overhead hand operated swinging block & tackle, (chain-falls in old English), as opposed to engine lifts.

Installed the very last one this way about (6) years ago by myself also -- always fun.
 
Larry, don't give up! There are several ways to install the engine, and different people do it differently. Because of that, you will get different view points and none of them are right or wrong... it's just they way it is.
I have helped people put in engine/ transmission assemblies and engine alone... either works and the job gets done.
A difference in terminology should not cause a ruckus or cause you to quit. You have over 800 posts on here, you are too invested to walk away. IMHO
 
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