Model A engine in the barn and more 2!

ratamahata

ratamahata

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Hey guys I think I could share some pictures from the last weekend, I'll working all the weekends in the engine in my wife's barn, I decided move the 4 cyl. to the farmhouse because I couldn't work on him during the week.
I was reviewing the bearings, center cap was burned because the lubrication hole was plugged. No problem, I found a replace cap an used one with the same size, others bearings were good. r
Rods were tight and had no play at the big end, the crankshaft was not scratched, only I found a little play on one piston on the top end and the pin.
I was cleaning the pistons grooves to put a set of new rings.
I was cleaning the oil pump and this weekend I will grind valves.
Other interesting things I found were a few wooden boxes that once contained naphta or kerosene cans, a tool box that belonged to my grandfather with a set of tools (Owatonna Tool Co.), I keep them like gold.
I'm very exciting with the progress, but have a little knowledge working on engines, It's my first model A!!
Someones can tell me how to clean the side where the engine valves go?, There are many oil and dirt stuck there!




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That's good stuff right there. I like the tools and crates. Just clean the engine all up with Kerosene, Diesel, or the like. If its rusty in the valve chamber, use a mild phosphoric acid like Ospho or Naval Jelly after the oily residue is gone. Looks like fun, good luck!
 
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The valves are very recessed, and you'll probably need to install valve seats to bring them back to normal position. Another choice could be oversized valves, like many guys use. I like to stick with original valves.
 
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Thanks for the answers the next week I'll tell what happened with the valves...
 
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Very nice. Thanks for sharing. My first set of tools was S-K. Combination set and 1/2" dr socket set.

paul in CT
 
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My grandfather worked in a flour mill, so I presume there come the tools, do not think my grandfather purchased at the hardware store!I think that many tools were imported in the early century in my country ...
 
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The joke used to be S-K stood for skinned knuckles. As much as guys here will offer advice and all of it good there is nothing there that cannot be made to run. But how available are parts in your country, like the broken pulley?
 
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The S-K tools in the picture brought back memories of the first socket set I bought, but no longer have. I save up for a while to have the money to buy the set back in 1962. The Owatanna tools were made about 30 miles from where I live now. Owatanna tools are very well made. I believe that tools are still made there.
Rusty Nelson
 
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It's been quite a while since I've seen S-K tools in the store, so I don't know if they are still made in the U.S.A., but they were a very high quality American tool in the past.
 
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I recommend you contact local machine shops and engine rebuilders in your area. There are many parts available in Argentina and much knowledge of how to rebuild these engines there. They may not be familiar with installing hardened valve seats, but if you get a set from the US, I am sure a good machinist can figure out how to install them. They can clean everything up and tighten up what's loose.
 
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Frank Miller said:
The joke used to be S-K stood for skinned knuckles. As much as guys here will offer advice and all of it good there is nothing there that cannot be made to run. But how available are parts in your country, like the broken pulley?
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I have the luck to have a friend who is a collector and has many parts in my town and a good price, Ford cars were assembled in Argentina "T" and "A" from early 1900, so there are many automobiles at salvage yards, farms. As well as spares are available.
 
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wrndln said:
The S-K tools in the picture brought back memories of the first socket set I bought, but no longer have. I save up for a while to have the money to buy the set back in 1962. The Owatanna tools were made about 30 miles from where I live now. Owatanna tools are very well made. I believe that tools are still made there.
Rusty Nelson
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Yes they are very good, a very resistant material, no nickel plated.
 
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A small preview with a plus ...Valve job done. The valve seats were good, I think?
I was cleaning the valve compartment, many oil stuck, but it is going slowly peeling off.
Place a clean piston in its cylinder to check the clearance. I'm sure I can put a new set of rings. Is there a proper way to measure the clearance of the cylinder?
I pulled the timing gear cover, plenty of dirt there, then I removed the camshaft and I realized I had covered the lubrication grooves.
The plus, pictures of the farm, My 69 F100, some Ford tools (truck and car) Help me identify them! and finally the International Harvester mower machine, I restored this machine, with red and white paint, but I have to put the blue to give an original touch.

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Just to give you some help, the wrench on the left is for Model T Truck,, TT. Rod
 
How old is the building? My headlight buckets still have the "Made In Argentina" sticker on them.
 
Lotsa great pictures!
One potential trouble I see is the replacement bearing cap.
It's my understanding that babbit is pored into a block with all the caps installed and then align bored to a straight line. Subtle differences in casting make no two caps alike, so interchanging isn't normally an option.
You need to install and torque the cap, then use an inside micrometer within the bore to insure it's perfectly round and consistant with full contact to the journal. Equally important is that the main bores are in alignment with each other or the crankshaft may bind up.
You may get lucky and find it runs OK without further checking but that's an expensive gamble. Now is your best chance to make sure the parts are fitted correctly or you may ruin the crankshaft and more.

PS...Oven cleaner is a wonderfull product to remove that heavy sludge. Just keep it off the bearings.
 
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