looking for a spare-engine ......

Christoph

Christoph

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... which is a bit of a prob over here.

Got an offer of an B-engine which is called to run great.

Its offered by a hotrod-garage as they switched to V8.
 

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Seems to be a B-engine as it has got a fuel-pump.
Does B allways have inserts or might it have babbits??

Questions
Why did he unscrew the head if they just took it out...
Why did they take out the distributor
Why is they unscrew the starter (and turn it)
Original Carb?
Special Gearbox??


Please tell me about your thoughts.

Thank you
Christoph
 

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The distributor & starter would be removed to lift the engine from the frame to prevent damage to them. The carb. is original also. 32 gearbox is different from the A. If installing the B to an A the rear section of the oil pan would be cut off since the B bell housing would not fit only the A. The oil pan would then fit. Use a B oil pan gasket & cut off the excess.
I cannot see any reason for removing the head to pull the engine.
 
Hi Christoph
Nice to see that you have found an engine. Looks like a post 32 Model B engine probably with the counterbalanced crank and babbit bearings.It might have been used for industrial work Pump ,generator or something like that.

Better snap it up if its a fair price

Only the G28T has inserts and the ally head and oilpan from stock
but I think you can buy inserts to fit after machine work in the early ones .
Who knows maybe the bearings are OK anyway. I wouldnt change them if they were OK
JohnCochran
 
Christoph, Ora Landis at Schwalms Babbited Bearings (Google)told me to be very careful with "B" blocks as they crack very easily. Is the head off this engine? Will they let you take it off? While it's off, check the ring ridge and the bore. Are the pistons STD or oversize? (.040. .060. etc) Look it over very carefully.
Terry




Christoph said:
... which is a bit of a prob over here.

Got an offer of an B-engine which is called to run great.

Its offered by a hotrod-garage as they switched to V8.
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Christoph,
Looks good. It has an "older" intake manifold as it has a cast fitting for a hydraulic clutch which was discontinued on the later engines. They could have just loosened the head (unbolted) when they were pulling it.
Pete
 
juke joint johnny said:
Hi Christoph
Nice to see that you have found an engine. Looks like a post 32 Model B engine probably with the counterbalanced crank and babbit bearings.It might have been used for industrial work Pump ,generator or something like that.

Better snap it up if its a fair price

Only the G28T has inserts and the ally head and oilpan from stock
but I think you can buy inserts to fit after machine work in the early ones .
Who knows maybe the bearings are OK anyway. I wouldnt change them if they were OK
JohnCochran
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John,
Is the G28T a different engine than the Russian? It has poured bearings.

...............................information about NOS Russian GAZ B engine...
 
Dj moordigian
The G28T is the german version of the B engine slightly diferent than the Russian and the USA one I think the late ones had shell bearings .

Of course I could be wrong Vince of the Ford Garage will know the answer
Have a look at his site, but like he says this is a an early Model B

that Christope has found John Cochran
 
juke joint johnny said:
Hi Christoph
Nice to see that you have found an engine. Looks like a post 32 Model B engine probably with the counterbalanced crank and babbit bearings.It might have been used for industrial work Pump ,generator or something like that.

Better snap it up if its a fair price

Only the G28T has inserts and the ally head and oilpan from stock
but I think you can buy inserts to fit after machine work in the early ones .
Who knows maybe the bearings are OK anyway. I wouldnt change them if they were OK
JohnCochran
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John,

I am a trivia buff. Why do you say it looks like a post '32 Model B engine? What are you looking at? It has an early B intake manifold as others have noted. It has a '32 flywheel housing with pads for the engine steady rods not the later '33-'34 flywheel housing with the attachment for the rods incorporated into the flywheel housing. The oil filler tube looks correct except it has the wrong cap (unless it is different in Europe). What am I missing?

Charlie Stephens
 
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Charlie Stephens said:
John,

I am a trivia buff. Why do you say it looks like a post '32 Model B engine? What are you looking at? It has an early B intake manifold as others have noted. It has a '32 flywheel housing with pads for the engine steady rods not the later '33-'34 flywheel housing with the attachment for the rods incorporated into the flywheel housing. The oil filler tube looks correct except it has the wrong cap (unless it is different in Europe). What am I missing?

Charlie Stephens
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Charlie
I don't think your missing anything, like you say it has the early features a lot of which might have carried on in Europe longer than USA

[for instance I have never seen the later flywheel housing that you mention all the ones I have had from late 30's and 40's used this one in the photo]

It could well be a 32 engine, But I feel it is more likely a slightly later counterbalanced crank one as they produced those for several years in Europe compared to a short time for the B crank one .

maybe Christoph can get the engine number that might help date it

John Cochran
 
juke joint johnny said:
Charlie
I don't think your missing anything, like you say it has the early features a lot of which might have carried on in Europe longer than USA

[for instance I have never seen the later flywheel housing that you mention all the ones I have had from late 30's and 40's used this one in the photo]

It could well be a 32 engine, But I feel it is more likely a slightly later counterbalanced crank one as they produced those for several years in Europe compared to a short time for the B crank one .

maybe Christoph can get the engine number that might help date it

John Cochran
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John,

Check out page 204 of the Green Bible. They show an illustration of the '33-'34 flywheel housing but do not identify it as such. The rods go through the actual housing instead of through a bolt on bracket.

Charlie Stephens
 
Thank You Vince and Charlie ,

I now know why I haven't seen the later flywheel housing
and after looking in the Green Bible
what it looks like if I do see one that has snuck into the country somehow.

We're never too old to learn !! That's what makes this hobby interesting

John Cochran
 
Wow
Thank you all
Ford Barn is GREAT

Will try to clarify all open questions and for sure will be back.

Thank you again
Best regards
Christoph
 
The starter appears to be a 33-34 model as they used a threaded stud on the bottom & a short cable to the switch that was mounted on the steering box-same as the V 8.
 
columbiA said:
The starter appears to be a 33-34 model as they used a threaded stud on the bottom & a short cable to the switch that was mounted on the steering box-same as the V 8.
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Mid to late '32 also used this starter configuration. See "The 1932 Ford Book" for exact dates. I also just noticed the fan is '33-'34 (at least by American standards) but it was common to replace the two blade fan with a four blade fan.

Charlie Stephens
 
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columbiA said:
The starter appears to be a 33-34 model as they used a threaded stud on the bottom & a short cable to the switch that was mounted on the steering box-same as the V 8.
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I have a starter that came from a B diamond block with governor, it has three (instead of 4) switch mounting screw holes and a switch similar to an A switch but this one has a fixture for a wire pull cable to activate the switch.

Is this a special starter for combines or pump motors only or maybe a 32 feature?

Thanks
 
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