Gary WA
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They look like originals but are not drilled thru for the grease. And the rear ones the caps do not unscrew but look as if they do.
Leakless water pump
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Gary WA
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Better quality leakless pumps do not take grease but the lower end ones do require greasing even tho they are considered leakless. They come with instructions that says grease rear.
Cornishman
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I don't understand. What does this reply have to do with my response to reading that fake grease nipples do not exist? As I said I know the rear bearing needs greasing, that's why it has a grease nipple. The front bearing does not, that's why it has a fake nipple. I have read the instructions, your comment is pointless.
Mike V. Florida
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There are three "flavors" of leakless pumps. One requires no grease, another needs grease only for the rear bearing and the third you grease front and rear.
He is saying that he feels the leakless and greaseless pumps are superior to the leakless pumps that do require grease.
Cornishman
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Yes, but why? He is quoting me then answering with random facts, ones that I am already well aware of, that have nothing to do with my post. That's what I don't understand.
Mitch//pa
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I take it that Gary was mentioning that the GOOD quality pumps are fully greaseless... Such a ruperts extreme pumps.... I fully agree
I don't think he meant any harm in his posting and just made that point for you and others that have leakless pumps that need greasing...
That's how we all learn here...
Capt Quahog
Senior Member
Yes . . . a LEAKLESS type water pump came on the 31' Ford when I got the thing. All the other Model A Fords owned over the decades had standard pumps that constantly leaked and needed to be packed. And this one has at least one "fake" "symbolic" grease fitting. Was wondering what type maintenance this no leak pump actually requires.
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Tom Wesenberg
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My leakless pump was the one I restored exactly as the factory built it. Grease the lead packing rings as they are installed and make sure the shaft is smooth, and I never had a drip. The first pump I did I didn't grease the lead rings during installation and had a very slow drip. Once I removed the packing rings and greased them before installing them there was no more dripping.
The only thing I do different now is use the rear bushing with a double lip seal at the rear of the bushing. This just gives me added protection against any grease getting into the antifreeze. I loosen the brass packing nut and grease the bushing, then screw the nut back into place finger tight, or a hair more. After 13 years I took the pump apart after the vinegar derusting to see how it was, and there was no noticeable wear.
The only thing I do different now is use the rear bushing with a double lip seal at the rear of the bushing. This just gives me added protection against any grease getting into the antifreeze. I loosen the brass packing nut and grease the bushing, then screw the nut back into place finger tight, or a hair more. After 13 years I took the pump apart after the vinegar derusting to see how it was, and there was no noticeable wear.
Cornishman
Senior Member
Why are you all pointing out the obvious?
The subject being discussed was whether 'fake' grease nipples exist. They do. Full stop! Why other posters have to quote me and post totally unrelated facts is beyond me. I'm European not stupid! I have been in education all my working life and I know that adding irrelevant facts, even if they are, in isolation, true, is not the way to educate people. Sticking to the point and listening to others is more use and much more constructive.
If Marshall wants a photo of a fake grease nipple I'm quite happy to provide one but I was under the impression that he has admitted that his original thoughts were wrong.
coupe1942
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Me, I like things visual as it isn't just that I understand them better then, but it usually sticks in my mind a bit longer with some good photos attached to any explanation. (I also still count on my fingers and toes after all these years) 
The previous owner of my 82-B pickup has told me he had a leakless water pump and I assumed that meant that he had one installed on the truck. Well, he didn't recall and I didn't know for sure so this thread was interesting to me in finding out one way or the other.
Maybe someone else out there has even better or perhaps some different photos to share or even a different explanation without anyone getting into a defensive mode over what was said and what was quoted or not. I have been out of the hobby for a number of years and things have likely changed a bit so even an expert can sometimes be incorrect I see and the info can still be misconstrued at times even by those in the know. Me, I am certainly no expert at this point in my life so I learn from you guys who are. Keep on amazing me so I can make my wife believe that this is a wonderful hobby to be involved in and better than sitting around and watching Days of Our Lives.
The previous owner of my 82-B pickup has told me he had a leakless water pump and I assumed that meant that he had one installed on the truck. Well, he didn't recall and I didn't know for sure so this thread was interesting to me in finding out one way or the other.
Maybe someone else out there has even better or perhaps some different photos to share or even a different explanation without anyone getting into a defensive mode over what was said and what was quoted or not. I have been out of the hobby for a number of years and things have likely changed a bit so even an expert can sometimes be incorrect I see and the info can still be misconstrued at times even by those in the know. Me, I am certainly no expert at this point in my life so I learn from you guys who are. Keep on amazing me so I can make my wife believe that this is a wonderful hobby to be involved in and better than sitting around and watching Days of Our Lives.
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newmodelaguy
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The leakless pump that i have said the front fitting is a dummy fitting and to grease the rear fitting . That you should leave the rear packing nut loose because it has packing in it and in case it ever leaks you can screw the nut tight and the packing will act has the old pump and stop it from leaking so you can make it home. Also when greasing the rear fitting to pump grease until you see it coming out around the packing nut.
but im also a dummie so what do i know
but im also a dummie so what do i know
Mitch//pa
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Gary WA
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Wow Sorry for the postings. I'll do more research in the future with photos attached as I always try to do for those in the learning mode. Been at this for many years at 65 starting when I was 12 on the farm, with model A's. Have A Great Day. Thanks for all the positive posts! Gary.
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Synchro909
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I find the stainless shafts that everybody sells now too soft.They don't last. Whatever happened to those pumps that were available a few years ago with ceramic seals? Seems to me that would be the way to go. If they are no longer available, I might look into making them again. Does anybody have technical details about them,like which seals were used, bearings etc. Would there be any interest?
Pamodelaroadster
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What’s the story on those funny shaped grease fittings. I bought a manual and it looks like their are 5 different types. Do they require different ends to grease?
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