Late 49-53 Distributors

BUBBAS IGNITION

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After doing some crab builds i recieved a couple requests to do a late 49 to 53 distributor.
A couple thoughts and disclaimers. The crab is probably the best ford has ever made as far as flathead distributors are concerned and work very well.
The 49-53 Vacuum only distributor is also a good unit as it came from the factory, however if anything is done to the engine the vacuum only makes it very difficult to tune as far as a advance curve is concerned.
So the aftermarket steps in once again to solve the problem.
I will post pics first from the work bench today and then explain :
 

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As the pictures will show this build is a little bit different from our normal build based on customer wishes. He had used the measurements from the www.fordv8.org site and already made the provision for the use of the factory collar hold down.
This works really well but i think its overkill for a couple reasons. One the distributor doesnt need much to hold it as it doesnt drive a oil pump etc and has very little load on it. 2-The relocation of the lower bushing is a added step that takes some machine work to change and replace this bushing upward.
Still i give the conversion a A+ as its very functional and does look good when finished .....
New drive gears are available thru Speedway motors and seem to be a very good product.....
The third picture shows the cam assembly this one having a 724 stamped on the lower side , thsi means its a 24 degree advance unit with a bushing. The brass bushing is also shown as we replace the old rubber unit with one i have made . This makes a good conversion for the flathead with 24 distributor degrees and 4 on the pin = 28 degrees = perfect...
I make my own vacuum eliminator by brazing up the old unit and cutting it off. ( Or using the vacuum if needed)
The upper shaft is packed in a fairly thin bearing grease and the distributor housing upper bushing grease well is also cleaned and packed with grease. Advance weights are cleaned and lubed for installation and a silver and a black spring is installed ( usually perfect for full in at 2500-3000 rpm.
I have learned the best way to prevent comebacks and phone calls is to use the best parts available and i use the CS786 Napa Echlin contacts and a RR175 condensor with a new delco distributor cap and rotor.
The primary lead from contacts to igniton coil is a new primary lead and is required for proper resistance of the primary. Its the last volt drop in the circuit and keeps the points happy for many miles...
Checked the unit in the machine and its right on !!! 24 degrees = 12 distributor at 2500 rpm . Dwell is set at 30 degrees ( .016 with a feeler if needed).
I usually run them for a few minutes and then recheck dwell etc.
Drive gear installation is next and i use a old GM shim for spacing (.030) with some locktite red then dril for 1/8 roll pin.
I know some use a tighter clearance but the chevrolet factory is usually .03 and i like it that way. Works for me.
The extenion below the gear can be long or short and i cut ours short to fit both timing covers , with and without support. ( Ford and Merc)
Gear set in cover is pretty much centered and thats another customer request from time to time as well. The factory is a little low and ours is pretty centered on the cam gear. ( I give Richard in Fla credit for this feature)

The last couple pics are one of our units held down with the aluminum plate , the collar distributor i did for this customer and a cover with a couple set screws in the cover.
Actually i think the set screws in the cover is the easiest most straigntforward method to do the job. Just stuff a rag in the cover , drive two holes and tap for 8/32 set screws or allens and clean out the shavings with a air hose or vac and then remove the rag.??
This is a lot to think about in a single post , hope this helps....
 
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:Dgreat illistration, but i have a dumb question.
is there a reason why using the stock ford dist would not work as good as the chevy dist, i am only asking because my own personal preference would be not to have the larger dist cap.
my MSD went south recently and i put a Mallory that was converted to MSD and really enjoy the sight of the smaller dist cap.
again this is only me.
rich
 
The stock Ford distributor has no provision for a centrifugal advance. In multi carb configurations, the stock distributor with vacuum only advance does not work well.
 
thanks Russ/40, now that i have the ford out of the question how about the Mallory instead of the chevy dist? dose the larger body of the chevy dist have something to do with better performance on a flathead when using points or converting to electronics?
again thanks rich
 
thanks Russ/40, now that i have the ford out of the question how about the Mallory instead of the chevy dist? dose the larger body of the chevy dist have something to do with better performance on a flathead when using points or converting to electronics?
again thanks rich


The better performance comes from having a tuned correct spark advance.
The chevy is a natural here as its very adjustable and is usually perfect right from the factory.
The mallorys make a good conversion and offer the look of "old school" looking like they belong in a flathead.
I will do a post on a mallory conversion the next time i get one in from a customer....
 
There is no "Best" Malory, except probably the early vacuum brake style. For some reason Malory doesn't believe in a vacuum adv/retard. The MSD and The Chevy poinds style distributor fit the bill. Properly set up these distributors can furnish more voltage at the right time than any other. The fact that the cap is the wrong size is a testament to the fact that Looks is more to proper operation. to some
 
Larger cap diameter (and also modern plastic) allows bigger plug gaps or higher voltage by capacitative discharge than small caps with closely spaced terminals.
On a conventional system, assuming all parts are in good shape, actual voltage is determined by the plug gap. As soon as plug becomes harder to jump than the next terminal or the insulation somewhere, everything goes all to hell.
Note that on conventional systems, too, your super 50,000 volt coil is actually producing whatever it took to jump to ground via the plugs...way less than the advertised number almost certainly.
Electronics can fool a coil into producing extra voltage, but that is a danger with small caps and/or antique plastic.
I suspect that bigger distributor allowing bigger advance weights probably also allows closer control of curve than tiny weights because of better ratio of planned effort to friction.
Look at the HEI...ugly as hell, but capable of huge voltage and lasts forever, maybe the best non-computer ignitions on the planet. Still too ugly to use, though.
 
I won't one of the chevy distributors. I would not run one with a stock carb and fuel pump.You old rodders know what I am talking about. I won't to up grade one of my flatheads to a larger carb. (Not to much) It will change the intake to a Murcury 4 bolt use a elct.fule pump.changhe the place that the vacuum will be to the distributor.I have a (dang thang chevy carb) Don't tell OK.And if I am at one of those hot rod hamburger places in Tyler Tex. I will say are you blind and stupid.that is a guin-U -ine ford part.
 
Thanks Ol'Ron, Bruce Lancaster.
this really explains alot, since my MSD went south, i replaced it with a Mallory that was converted to MSD and life has not been the same. i had the Mallory done because even thou i loved the performance of the MSD, i just did not like the big fat dist cap.
i think i am going to go with Bubbas chevy dist since i dont have to replace the plug wires from the Taylors that i had to get to replace the MSD wires.
thanks again guys.
rich
 
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One of my concerns on the GM type distributor was with moisture contamination. I used to have a 68 Buick Wildcat that had the 430 V8 and the GM distributor right down front. Every time I got stuck in a rain storm and hit a big puddle the damn thing would die. The frigin window was right in front too and let water in. Now I'm not the type to go looking for a rain storm while driving a 29 AV8 but y'all know sh!t happens. With a 327 or 350 Chevy the thing is in the back so the problem is moot.

I just wish that there was a more water tight cap arrangement than the GM window type. I guess a person could seal it somehow and get by for those unpredictable long road trips.

Kerby
 
There is no "Best" Malory, except probably the early vacuum brake style. For some reason Malory doesn't believe in a vacuum adv/retard. The MSD and The Chevy poinds style distributor fit the bill. Properly set up these distributors can furnish more voltage at the right time than any other. The fact that the cap is the wrong size is a testament to the fact that Looks is more to proper operation. to some

Ol' Ron; I have an early style (8BA) Mallory dist. model ZB type 275AX with the vacuum (brake) port. It's in pretty decent shape, including the cap. Rotor and points are used, but may still have some life in them. Is this a good candidate for rebuild, or possibly updated to electronic, and is there an advantage in having the vacuum brake setup? PS: the brake does still function when I tested it. Spins free without vacuum, and feels a drag when vacuum is applied. Paul Selfe.
 
Ol' Ron; I have an early style (8BA) Mallory dist. model ZB type 275AX with the vacuum (brake) port. It's in pretty decent shape, including the cap. Rotor and points are used, but may still have some life in them. Is this a good candidate for rebuild, or possibly updated to electronic, and is there an advantage in having the vacuum brake setup? PS: the brake does still function when I tested it. Spins free without vacuum, and feels a drag when vacuum is applied. Paul Selfe.

Woops!!! My bad, should have said it spins more freely with vacuum applied, and sees drag without. Sorry, senior moment. Paul Selfe.
 
One of my concerns on the GM type distributor was with moisture contamination. I used to have a 68 Buick Wildcat that had the 430 V8 and the GM distributor right down front. Every time I got stuck in a rain storm and hit a big puddle the damn thing would die. The frigin window was right in front too and let water in. Now I'm not the type to go looking for a rain storm while driving a 29 AV8 but y'all know sh!t happens. With a 327 or 350 Chevy the thing is in the back so the problem is moot.

I just wish that there was a more water tight cap arrangement than the GM window type. I guess a person could seal it somehow and get by for those unpredictable long road trips.

Kerby

Actually the fix is to spray wd40 inside and out and you can litterly drive them under water. Works great !
 
Paul, yes the early Mallory did work better thn the new ones. But the vacuum was non adjustable. I've never run a timing curve on the early Mallory, I do have one someplace. his winter I plan on working with Richard, developing some charts for different engine mods. He has a 276/ L-100 and HC heads. I have a 276/ stock cam and LC heads. Hope to do some comparisons.
 
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