HELP, Tudor vacuum wiper hose routing.

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CWPASADENA

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Can someone post some pictures of the routing of the metal line and vacuum hose for the windshield wiper on a 30 Tudor?

I am in the process of attempting assembly of a 30 Tudor that I bought all disassembled and in boxes a few years ago. I have most everything figured out but I am stuck as to how the metal vacuum line and rubber hose is routed. I have the original line and it is in good shape and does not appear to be bent up. It will lay right up the R/H windshield piller but I can not see where it goes from there. The metal line has a 90 deg Bend at the top and it looks like a hose is supposed to slip on the end of it and continue on to the wiper. but I do not see a place for it across the header above the windshield. :confused:

If someone has a detailed picture or drawing of this area, I would gereatly appreciate it.

Thanks in advance, Chris
 
On mine the rubber hose the end of the metal, there is a closed in metal C chanel. the bottom of the chanel the windsheild ataches to. run rubber hose throu this chanel and there is a hole that the rubber hose goes out to connect the wiper motor.
 
here is a pic from the brattons parts book.
 

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The vertical metal line goes behind the window garnish with the rubber hose fastened to the wooden header with three clips then out through the hole in the windshield rame.
 
gunmetal blue said:
On mine the rubber hose the end of the metal, there is a closed in metal C chanel. the bottom of the chanel the windsheild ataches to. run rubber hose throu this chanel and there is a hole that the rubber hose goes out to connect the wiper motor.
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There is a "U" shaped trough in the metal "Windshield Header Panel" but it does not look like it is big enough for the vacuum hose to fit into. Was there a different header panel used with vacuum wipers then the one used with electric wipers? The wood has all been replaced and it looks like there is no room right where the hose would attact to the tube.

My car is a very early '30 and I question if it originally had a vacuum wiper or an electric wiper. I did not get a wiper motor with the car and I do not have the original windshield frame. As far as I can tell, the rest of the parts in this area are all original to this car. I am finding some extra old parts that came with the car. I have three original vacuum lines including the fitting at the firewall and on one of them the line on to the intake manifold. I question if these parts were not for this car and I should have an electric wiper on it?

Thanks for the help.

Chris
 
you should have a vacuum wiper on your car i will take some pics of my car which is an early 30 tudor when i get home if no one else helps you
 
Don Turley said:
The metal vacuum line runs from the passenger side of the firewall along the cowl just below the gas tank, then up into the windshield opening and along the side of the windshield pillar (not inside it.) It is hidden and held in place by the windshield garnish molding. At the top of the molding, the line then exits from behind the molding. The rubber tube attaches to the metal line and runs horizontal just beneath the windshield hinge. The rubber hose is held in place by three clips that are held in place with the same screws that hold the windshield hinge to the header. Just before the hose reaches the wiper, it goes through the windshield frame to connect to the wiper. Sorry, but I do not have any pictures. Don Turley
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Hi Don;

I am starting to get the Picture. The way I understand what you are saying is if you would open the windshield, you may be able to see the hose and the clamps that hold the hose in place up from the inside up above the W/S hinge?

I think I may have the wrong garnish mouldings that go up beside the windshield piller. They follow the conture and fit very tight right up against the piller. There is no place, "notch or otherwise" for the metal line to exit from behind the moulding right below the header panel or windshield hinge.

I have some '34 pick-up w/s side post mouldings that are very similar to Model A. They are shaped so there is plenty of room behind the moulding for the metal line. The windshield opening size is the same on both the Model A and the '34 P.U. and the W/S frame is the same except for the wind deflector across the bottom was not used on the '34.

I am going to look at the situation further topmorrow.

Thanks for your input.

Chris
 
Quick check: is there a vacuum fitting tapped into the intake manifold?

Is there a vacuum fitting on the firewall where the vacuum line connects from the intake manifold to the firewall?

Knowing Ford they probably didnt make a change to the windshield and upper moulding when they went from electrical to vacuum wiper on the sedan.

I have a March 30 Tudor (oval dash panel--29 style speedometer with the trip odometer) and it has a vacuum wiper as original. So I guess this qualifies as an early 30 tudor....I think.......

Dennis L Oberer
Green Bay WI
 
Don Turley said:
The hose is BELOW the windshield hinge. Yes, when you tilt the windshield forward and look up at the windshield hinge, you will see the hose, held in place with clips utilizing the same screws that attach the windshield hinge to the header.

If you have the correct windshield garnish moldings, there is room between the molding and the body pillar for the metal vacuum line. At the top of the garnish molding, there should be a notch for the metal line. It may be that you have a windshield frame and garnish moldings that were intended for an electric wiper, in which case there may not be a notch. If that is the case, you can either find a replacement, or modify the one you have. If the windshield frame has the original five holes for the electric wiper, then you will be replacing or modifying the windshield frame also.

Just curious, does your firewall have the brass fitting to connect the vacuum wiper line?

Don Turley
www.donturley.com
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Hi Don,

When I got the car, it was all dissassembled and in boxes. There is a hole in the firewall for the vacuum fitting and I did get several original vacuum lines with fittings, all in various states of condition. Why several, I do not know. May be the guy had a thing about original vacuum lines and fittings???? I am finding out the windshield frame I have is incorrect. It is a 28-29 and has several holes in the top for mounting an electric wiper.

After looking on Ebay this evening, it appears I have the correct garnish mouldings but I question if they are original to this car as they are chrome plated and nothing else that came with the car was. There is NO NOTCH in the R/H garnish where the vacuum line would exit at the top so I am assuming that they were for an electric wipe car. I think that is what was throwing me for a loop.

I have the car at my shop and will get as better idea of what I have in the morning. I know I would run across some problems figuring this whole thing out. It is MUCH easier to put something back together if you were the one who took it apart in the first place.

Thanks for your input, Chris
 
Today I went to the shop with the information that was posted yesterday. I made a small notch in the upper end of the R/H Garnish molding and now, the original metal vacuum line falls right into place and there is room for the hose just behind the W/S hinge. :D

Evidently, what I had was garnish moldings for an electric wiper car and a 28-29 W/S Frame. It helps to have the correct parts and also it would have been a big help if I had taken the car apart myself and not bought it in boxes. I am finding a lot of extra parts and a very few things that I do not believe were original to the car such as the W/S Frame and garnishes.:confused:

Actually, it is a good car. It was stored, along with a Coupe, in a packing shed in San Jose Calif from before "The War". The two cars were "Found" when the shead was torn down in the 1980s for a redevelopment project. The Tudor is very straight and absolutely no rust except for two pin holes in the bottom of one door. I was able to carefully weld up the pin holes with the Heli-Arc. The seats had old covers on them with most of the original upholstery underneth.

The previous owner started the restoration and had taken EVERYTHING apart. He even took all the wood out of the body. He got discouraged and gave up. I got all the original wood with the car and it was so good that all that needed to be replaced was may be a few broken top bows and the header which had a little rot across the very front. I bought it about ten years ago and have slowly been picking at it in my spare time.

I have the chassis all finished and the body and fenders all painted and now I am starting to assemble. I owned a '30 Tudor when I was in college but that was more then 50 years ago and I do not remember all the details about a Tudor.

Anyway, thanks for everyones help. As I proceed, I may be back to "The Barn" for more questions.

Chris
 
Last week, I bought a pair of original W/S Garnish Mouldings from a 30 Tudor. They arrived Monday and I installed them with the wiper Vacuum line in place. Now, everything fits just like it should. The ones I bought had a notch at the top of each one. The ones that came with the car did not have this notch. :confused:

I always questioned it the ones I got with the car actually were original to this car and now I know the answer.:rolleyes:

Things seem to go together a lot better when you have the correct parts. :)

Thanks again for all the help, I am sure I will have more questions as I proceed.

Chris
 
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