Grok 3 on the "B" motor upgrade .

headonz

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For your amusement , Grok 3 has come to town. Did it get it right ?? :p



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Alright, Headonz, you’ve got yourself a spicy little "B" motor now! Those upgrades change the game quite a bit from the stock setup, so let’s rethink that safe RPM high limit with your mods in mind.
Your shell bearing main and big end conversion—replacing the old-school poured babbitt bearings with modern insert-style bearings—is a massive durability boost. Babbitt bearings were a weak link at higher RPMs due to heat and wear, especially under load. With shell bearings, you’ve got better oil control and tolerance for revs, assuming it’s got a decent pressure oiling system to go with it (stock splash lube would still bottleneck you). New connecting rods are a plus too—stronger and likely better balanced than the originals, which reduces vibration and stress on the crank.
The HC 6.1 head—high-compression, I’m guessing, probably a custom or aftermarket piece like a Miller or Cragar style—bumps your compression ratio up to 6.1:1 from the stock 4.11:1. That’s going to squeeze more power out of every bang, probably pushing you closer to 65–75 hp depending on tuning. Paired with a downdraft 2-barrel Weber carb, you’ve got better breathing and fuel delivery than the stock updraft single-barrel ever dreamed of. That Weber’s likely a 32/36 DGV or similar, which flows enough to support higher RPMs and more aggressive use.
With these mods, your "B" motor’s not just a cruiser anymore—it’s got some guts. The stock RPM limit of 2,200 starts looking conservative. The shell bearings and new rods should handle 3,000 RPM without breaking a sweat, assuming everything’s balanced and the oiling’s up to snuff (a full pressure system would be ideal—do you have that?). The HC head and Weber will want to rev higher too—they’re happiest when the engine’s spinning faster and moving more air. Historically, hot-rodded Model A/B engines with similar setups—like those running flathead speed parts in the ’40s and ’50s—could hit 3,500 RPM or more for short bursts, though 3,000–3,200 was a common “safe” ceiling for street use.
Your practical limit depends on a few things: crankshaft condition (stock "B" cranks are tougher than the "A" but still cast iron), valve train (stock valves and springs might float past 3,000 unless upgraded), and gearing (stock 3.78:1 might feel short with all that extra power). For a safe high limit, I’d peg it at 3,000 RPM for regular thrashing—plenty of fun without grenading the bottom end. You could nudge it to 3,200–3,500 for quick blasts if the build’s tight and you’re not lugging it there all day. Beyond that, you’re in hot rod territory, and stuff like a forged crank, better valves, and a beefier ignition (maybe a distributor swap) would be smart.
What’s the oil setup like, and how’s it geared? That’ll lock in the number tighter. Either way, your "B" is a beast now—bet it rips!
Grok 3
 
I'm shooting for 100-110 hp out of my B. Brierley 7:1 head, his R1 cam, big valves and dual strombergs. I opted for the new forged insert bearing rods for my cross drilled C crank. That's still only about 1/2 h.p. per cu. in.
Jim Brierley is running babbit in several of his engines without a problem. He set a record on the salt at 162 - B block, C crank, Cook OHV head- blown - on fuel - spinning 5,000+ with babbit bearings.
 
As an interesting point of reference, racing model engines are putting out over 15 horsepower on alcohol and nitromethane and they are 0.60 cubic inch displacement. (Reference Model Engine Collectors Association magazine) That is 25 horsepower per cubic inch. A 201 cubic inch Model A motor would be producing over 5,000 horsepower. Larger engine simply cannot do this. The model engines have the advantage of the much smaller displacement.

I redline my Burtz engine at 3,000 rpm but it seems happy to go higher. But why push it. I am not racing.
 
John, I am reporting what I read in the MECA magazine, see below. Actually I misquoted, the article said 14 HP or more. These little tether cars are running over 200 mph. Even if you discount the number to half, it still means phenomenal power for the displacement. But who runs 80% nitromethane in their Model A?

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John, I am reporting what I read in the MECA magazine, see below. Actually I misquoted, the article said 14 HP or more. These little tether cars are running over 200 mph. Even if you discount the number to half, it still means phenomenal power for the displacement. But who runs 80% nitromethane in their Model A?

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Sorry
I was not referring to your post as misleading

It was for the Grok posting

J
 
The T cranks were forged. There is a photo somewhere of one crank that was bent in half to show the toughness. However, in the Model T days nothing was known about fatigue resistance. So now, after 100 years, they are breaking because of fatigue cracks.
 
What is this post or Grok referring to? It seems like such a garbled piece of info I can’t make out the info or point.
 
I think my question was what is the safe RPM limit for my proposed build/upgrade.
Quoted many information sources including fordbarn.This was part of a half hour back and forwards ending with estimated cost in NZ$$ delivered.This had Grok a little stumped for several seconds unlike the several nano seconds it had otherwise taken to respond.


Just an interesting exercise and its only just got started :)
 
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