Gearbox selector shaft query

fortyonerag

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A while back I replaced the leaking selector shaft seals on my 41 - side shift box

To do so, I had to drill out the tapered pins (357534-S) that secured the selector arm to the shaft.

I replaced the pins using bolts with shanks, but a slightly loose fit left me with a loose gear selector. I could live with it, but I'd like to tighten it up.

I was careful drilling the pins but the holes 'may' have been enlarged a little, so I'm not sure replacement pins (if available) would fix my problem

I was thinking bolts with a tighter fit or even roll pins.

What say you?
 
I would get another side plate and do not drill out the pins, press or drive them out with a punch and put new seals that one.
 
^^^^^Many thanks.

I guess my concern is a replacement side plate would be the same as the old one - those pins would not move come hell or high water! I think they were peened in place.

I wound up opening the holes a little and using 8mm roll pins. Yes, it looks industrial, but it's a driver and I now have a very precise gear selector!

Fingers crossed....
 
We’ll add a bit of commentary here. We have to deal with these 1940-48 side cover shift housings all the time. In fact, we have to add an extra half hour of labor time to those jobs for exactly what the poster had to deal with. Ford installed the steel pins (which secure the two shifter levers to the shifter shafts) with solid steel pins. I don’t know what the specific manufacturing process was but they are very tight. They might have been heated like a rivet and the pin expanded in the opening by the tools that flared out the other end. Having a tight installation is a good thing but it makes for a hard job of removing them during a rebuild. We’ve seen MANY of these in our shop where the transmission had some degree of a rebuild in its past life, but nobody had ever disturbed those pins. Which also means that no one had replaced the oil seals behind the levers.

Basically, you have to grind off one end of the pin and then drive it out with a punch and hammer. Sounds fairly easy right? Having done hundreds of them, I can assure you that we feel like we were blessed that day if both pins came out easily. Will and I would agree that we’re happy when just one pin drives out with no hassles. Usually however, we’re stuck moving on to the next step.

That next moment means drilling out the pin….and even this involves several steps. Try to mark the center of the pin (where you ground off the head) and use a smaller bit than the 1/4” diameter of the original pin. I like to use a 3/16” bit and plenty of oil as I drill down into the pin. The shift housing can be secured in a drill press vice or simply use a big vice on the workbench. I don’t drill all the way through. Then I use a 1/4” punch and large hammer to attempt to drive out the old pin. Hopefully I’m successful here and can move on to the other pin to repeat the process. If the pin fails to move, you may have to drill further down or go to a 1/4” bit. When you remove material from the center of the pin it allows the steel to collapse inward enough to allow you to knock it out. In the worst case scenario, you might have to drill it completely out with the 1/4” bit.

We’ve moved away from replacing the pins with similar solid steel pins….they never fit as tightly as the original factory installation. We now use 1/4” steel roll pins (I think they are 1-1/8” long) and drive them in. As hard as they are to hammer in, I think they are adequate by themselves, but I like to add a 1/8” tapered steel pin inside of the roll pin (coated with some locktite compound). Everything is nice and secure now and we were able to replace the shaft seals!
 
Thank you Mac. I am looking forward (or maybe not so much) to doing this job on a 49 mercury 3 speed OD for my brothers 51 F1. Would heating up the casting after grinding the end smooth help? Tim
 
When servicing the side plate, note that there is a mechanism, I think it is a pin (been 50 years) that prevents you from selecting two gears at the same time. One selector has to be in neutral before the other selector can engage another gear. Get that wrong, and with a bit of wear in the column selectors you can grab two gears at once. First and second in my case. Took me two clusters to figure out what was happening. An old guy down the road welded it up with some special rod that he flogged from the Canadian Rail Company he worked for.
 
Yes, that little pin was placed inside the detent sleeve….actually inside the spring, which sits inside the sleeve. As stated above, the pin prevents you from accidentally shifting into two gears at the same time. This design was produced in all the 1940-48 Ford and Mercury cars. With the change to the new 1949 Ford transmission, the sleeve was redesigned and it performed the interlock function without the need of the pin inside the spring. Having said that, I’ve seen some of the 49-54 shifter housings with the pin in there. It doesn’t hurt to have it but it wasn’t needed.
 
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