Frame Rivit Help

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I found two rivit holes on my 34 Ford chassis "unfilled". I have the rivits and the MAC rivit anvil (looks like a big nail set with the head sphere shape)but unclear how to get them tight. Do I just hammer with the anvil over and over. Do I heat the rivit red hot and then insert and then hammer the anvil. Or do I insert the rivit and heat the tip and then hammer the anvil???
Thanks
 
Riveting requires a buck held on one side to hold the rivet in place and act as a reactive mass for the hammer blows applied on the other side. The bucking bar side has to only hold enough pressure to keep the rivet from backing out of the hole. The bucking bar has to be heavy enough to react well with the hammer blows and that depends on the size and material make up of the rivet being bucked. A 3/16" steel rivet will require a pretty heavy bar. Some Bucking bars are just flat, some have a waffle pattern, and some have a shape equivanlent to the driven or "head" end of the rivet. A rivet can be driven either way around depending on clearance issues and how you want them to look.

Most folks use a pneumatic rivet hammer to deliver the blows to the driver side of the rivet using .401" chuck rivet sets with the tip shaped to fit the rivet head being driven. It's just a whole lot easier than trying to hammer them manually and a whole lot safer too. Most pneumatic hammers will work for medium size rivets up to 1/4". Above that you need to either heat the rivet red hot, use an even bigger pneumatic hammer, or both.

Kerby
 
There are some empty holes in 33-34 frames where stuff bolts on, as with the pedals. Where are the empty holes located?

Kerby's advice hits the rivet on the head... We set up the frame so the end of the rivet to be formed is facing downward, heat it with a small torch, apply the
bucking bar (which is a fairly long 7/8" round bar with a concave end the size of the rivet head and beveled for clearance vs. stuff in the way) from above, lean on it heavily, then finish the head with an air hammer. It is a 2-man job. Got the tips for the air hammer from Bratton's. Rivets that go horizontal are done the same way, but the frame wants to move around due to lack of support... To end up with a nicely-shaped head, the length of the rivet needs to be just right.
 
When I had my blacksmiths shop this is how we did it.
Depending on how 'full' the rivet snap impression is (a rivet head is not a true hemi-sphere) and the thickness of material to be joined. Calculate the length of shank required. To form a rivet head you need 1.5 x dia. of shank, plus 1/8''* length measured from under the head, then add the thickness of material. This will give you a starting point for the trials. Using scrap material of the same thickness 'sett**' your first rivet.
Place one of your 'snaps' in a vise, vertically, and have the other snap handy. You will need a ball-pein hammer and some form of heat. Oxy gear is very good.
Place your rivet into the snap & place the material on top, the hole should be a size that is the same size as the rivet shank, a 'snug fit', or you can go 1/64 over on a small rivet. You will probably need to debur the cut end to get the material on.
Using an oxy torch, start to heat the shank at the bottom, move the flame around the shank, you need to get the shank hot where it is under the surface of the material. Don't burn the shank by having the torch too close. The heat will radiate up the shank, when the end of the shank is hot start playing the torch all around the shank and the entire length until the shank is yellow and has a 'waxy' appearance. Quickly play the heat around the base again, put the torch (safely) and quickly to one side. You need the bottom of the shank a little hotter than the top***.
Using the flat face of the hammer strike the top of the rivet with a few deadblows until the shank is reduced in height by approx 1/3rd to just over half its original height. Quickly, using lighter blows with the ball end roughly shape the 'mushed end' into a hemisphere. Do not keep hitting the mush after the red heat colour has gone. (This could cause the edges to split).
Reheat the end until a bright red colour, place the top snap over the mush and drive the snap down using deadblows, when the snap reaches the material being riveted, stop. Or, if the rivet is too long material will be forced out underneath the end of the snap, (such rivets are called "Jockeys Caps" and will see you earning a DCM).
Judging by what you have you will know whether to add or subtract material from the length of the shaft. (Which you did write down on the workbench didn't you?)
You will hear the rivet cool, (as it shrinks it will pull the materials tight).

* Plus 1/8th is the theory, I've always found it to be too much, however it does depend on how full the snap head is.

** Set in the blacksmiths world is always spelt with two 'T's' eg, Hot Sett, Cold Sett.

*** Heating the bottom of the shank hotter than the top causes the hotter metal to expand and fill the hole before the head forms, this ensures a tight rivet. If the head forms before the hole is filled the material can move laterally and act as a shear.

As far as riveting awkward pieces (like a chassis) we would find a way to support the ‘anvil snap’ by placing solid pieces underneath, even wood blocks with a flat piece of steel on top would work. Or we would make (or weld) the snap to a steel bar of the right length to the floor. If you have a mate to help he could hold a heavy sledge against the end of the anvil snap to absorb the riveters blows. This is a sleeves down and buttoned job, no gloves. Expect some minor sparks to stick to your skin.
 
Thanks one and all for the info...per the question of where are the holes.The member that holds the transmission between the frame rails has several rivets on each side. One side has all the rivits and the other has a mirror image of the rivits but has two holes without rivits.
 
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