Frame numbers stamped

fredski53

fredski53

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What are your thoughts on this frame number? Is it A2002498 or
A2992498? I don’t have a title and this number doesn’t match the number stamped on the engine.
 

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Can you imagine being the guy on the assembly line who whacked the frame number and stars one at a time into the frame with a hammer all day long for 6 1/2 days a week??? No wonder Ford had such a high work force turnover! I wonder if the guys building engines and chasses switched around mind-numbing assignments like this so that nobody would go postal??? I could have lasted about two hours doing this stamping over and over again before I'd go nuts!
M.
 
You buy yourself the brass plate stamped with 299 whatever and pop rivet it to your firewall. Attachment has to be "permanent" with no screws which will allow removal.

Then, using the bill of sale, OR WHATEVER, you apply for a title and registration.

The pretty uniformed officer comes out and "verifies" your number. She has no idea of where or how the number is applied. Only that your car HAS a number and that it can be found. You don't mention the frame number now hidden by the body and you tell her the number on the engine is an "engine number which is not related anymore to the car number."

The fact that you have "a number" and permanently attached is enough for the state to track it in the event of theft - which is more than they actually care about anyway.

(They simply want the registration fee.)

Sorry. A little "jaded" of state tracked ANYTHING.


Joe K
 
Why not just use the engine number as your verification. Thats what i do. When someone comes out to verify the car, I show them the engine stamp and they say oh, ok.

Dont ever mention to a verifier that the frame has a stamp.

I am not saying Joe is incorrect, just saying its easier doing it this way.
 
If this was me, I’d decide on the number, add a body tag, and restamp the engine to that number. Easy to restamp the engine since you obviously have it out of the car. Cover all your bases.

I’d also vote for A2992…. I’ve not seen a factory restamp like that. It’s almost like the dude grabbed the wrong stamp, realized it after whacking a couple of incorrect numbers, and stamped over the “0”s with “9”s. Interesting, maybe this is one of those infamous Monday cars.
 
Before making any number changes I would check what your state title and registration laws are. Almost every state is different.
You might have to get a bonded title.
Do you have a bill of sale. You will need some way to prove the car is yours.



John
 
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I maintain records for the Victoria Association about the surviving 190-A's. Your 190-A is a Leather-Back which is the earlier body style of the Victoria. On record are surviving Victorias with 3-digit Murray body numbers dating back to production in the first quarter of 1930. So apparently there was a stockpile of Victorias available for their initial sales release. So the frame number on your car should be an indicator of when it was assembled at a Ford plant, but no earlier than 1930. Also, the Victoria's frame is unique because it has brackets for that body style.
 
I don't think it's 00. I think maybe whoever struck it had a 9 or a 6 upside down and over struck them. So it could be 99 or 66 or 69 or 96.
 
Bob Bidonde said:
I maintain records for the Victoria Association about the surviving 190-A's. Your 190-A is a Leather-Back which is the earlier body style of the Victoria. On record are surviving Victorias with 3-digit Murray body numbers dating back to production in the first quarter of 1930. So apparently there was a stockpile of Victorias available for their initial sales release. So the frame number on your car should be an indicator of when it was assembled at a Ford plant, but no earlier than 1930. Also, the Victoria's frame is unique because it has brackets for that body style.
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But is the frame in the picture from a Victoria? He doesn't say. If it is those brackets will also dictate that the number is later not the 1929 one.
 
Hello , previous owner on my car did the aftermarket “Ford data plate , also restamped the engine also . Makes it easier for checking “vin” number actually the engine number. Pennsylvania usually only checks them when bringing a car in from out of state . Also had the title changed from convertible to roadster when applying for plates .March 1930 sounds early number for a Victoria, if that is what the car is .
 
rfitzpatrick said:
[Q for 6 1/2 days a week???

They worked 6 1/2 days each week?? That's a 52 hour work-week
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You’re assuming 8 hours a day. I don’t think they were necessarily limited to a standard work hours per day in the ‘20’s and ‘30’s. Jobs were scarce and the pay was low so they might have had to work as many hours as they could.

David Serrano
 
"They worked 6 1/2 days each week?? That's a 52 hour work-week"

Oops! You're right. It would have been 5 1/2 days at the most, not 6 1/2. Math was never my strong suit in school. I did better writing long, boring essays - as anyone on this discussion board can readily verify. :)
M.
 
My solution. Officer and DMV never questioned it
 

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