Ford Pilot ...British flathead V8

JM and Ken....if you go to this site http://www.earlyfordv8.co.uk/..you will find the largest collection of Pilot owners in the world.You can post a want ad on the site or just ring Chris Sanders(Chairman) ..he knows where all the parts are stashed ...he is a very helpful guy and he owns a Pilot and a 33 5 window coupe.

There are a couple of Pilots being broken for spares or restoration at the moment on the for sale section on the efv8127 site.

regards, Nige.

just saw this

[quote author=27troadster board=cars thread=2554 post=27410 time=1271886367]I have a pilot body and chassis for sale. No other parts Has the doors still on it and opening screen frame. Could make a good car again or is perfect for a vintage stock car.
Its been sitting here way to many years waiting for me to do something with it and I now desperately need the space.
Might need some time to get it moved out for collection.
£400 ono. Or maybe trade for small block chevy (or dodge 318 maybe) with auto box.
Call me on 07780625891 or pm me here.
Thanks Paul.[/quote]
 
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Henry Hopper said:
JM and Ken....if you go to this site http://www.earlyfordv8.co.uk/..you will find the largest collection of Pilot owners in the world.You can post a want ad on the site or just ring Chris Sanders(Chairman) ..he knows where all the parts are stashed ...he is a very helpful guy and he owns a Pilot and a 33 5 window coupe.

There are a couple of Pilots being broken for spares or restoration at the moment on the for sale section on the efv8127 site.

regards, Nige.

just saw this

[quote author=27troadster board=cars thread=2554 post=27410 time=1271886367]I have a pilot body and chassis for sale. No other parts Has the doors still on it and opening screen frame. Could make a good car again or is perfect for a vintage stock car.
Its been sitting here way to many years waiting for me to do something with it and I now desperately need the space.
Might need some time to get it moved out for collection.
£400 ono. Or maybe trade for small block chevy (or dodge 318 maybe) with auto box.
Call me on 07780625891 or pm me here.
Thanks Paul.
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Henry, Thanks for posting all of that information. I will keep a watch on the forum you suggested. Also, maybe the guy with the Pilot body/chassis would sell just the wind screen frame. Just wondering if you know if he is in the UK? Thank you!! JM
 
I have a Pilot chassis I bought a few months ago for the engine and ******, I'll take some pics of the hydraulic jacks as well as the linkage for the front/real brake setups and such, and repost later today.
 
I am looking for the pilot exhaust manifolds. Who's got a pair they
want to sell ? Thank you ford barn !
 
Bruce Lancaster said:
PS...Ford Pilot engine is the 1937 Ford 221 type, kept in production in England until the 1950's. It was usually equipped with Lucas distributor and electrics and I think a Solex carb, otherwise normal stuff. Used in England built bren carriers and trucks during WWII.
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I think they had a "firing order" graphic cast into the heads. Talking about locked bearings. My C59A engine in my NZ assembled 47 had them. Going back to Pilots we got them here in Nz alongside the US style v8s. 59A engines were a popular swap.

GB
 
Brian said:
There were 'shudder rods' on Pilots; unlike the American Fords which have them running back to attach to the X members, the Pilots went forward and hooked over the front cross member and bolted to the front face of it just inboard of the engine mounts.
Pilots had different exhaust manifolds; much better design than any Yankee job. They also came equipped with a bypass filter, which I think is the same as early Landrovers. A sealed unit, one needed to replace the entire filter, not just the cartridge.
The crankshaft is very similar to American 21 stud ['36 LB and later], but is drilled with double oil holes for the shell bearings, but has the larger diameter, longer snout that the 24 stud cranks have. Easy enough to shorten up and convert into an American 21 stud block. These Pilot big end shells are unique in as much as they have a flange on one side; they are just like an early [flanged] full floater, cut in half and with locking tabs in each shell. Of course flanged full floaters can run on that crank and the Pilot rods run on the outside of those floaters.
The Canadian shell bearings to suit double drilled crankpins did not have these flanges as the crankpins were narrower; this design was introduced with the 24 stud engines. I have had several sets of these bearings to suit the small journal cranks; the part number was C41A 6215 [then the factory code denoting size]; the large dia locked in bearings have the prefix C49A 6215. Anyone encountering these bearings in an engine can rest assured that you can run the common full floaters #6211 using the same rods and crankshaft [after carefully measuring everything up to ensure exactly what you have].
All pilots ran a 5T camshaft, and I understand they came from the factory with twin pipes, although I have no actual proof of this, just what I've been told by numerous 'knowledgeable' folk.
Brian
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Bryan my C59A has the chatter rods running to the front cross member. They bolt into some plugs that fit into the holes.

GB
 
52merc said:
gidday brien pilots had twin exaust pipes the manifolds were great used to use on the 59a ect if you wanted twin pipes also if i remeber right the dizzys were 2 bolt alloy& the car had a weird braking system juice n cable ,but they came with some great gear ie leather seats brass windsheild frames chromed & some had hydrolic jacks oooops just had a senior moment will try to rember more trev:)
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Remember Trev I gave you the Pilot Manifolds that were on that 99A block we hauled from Pukerua Bay nearly 20 years ago.

GB
 
JM 35 Sedan said:
Yeah Ken, I would also love to find a brass windscreen/windshield frame to use on one of my US made '35's. Maybe someone from England, Canada, Aus., or NZ, who may have some of these brass WS frames, will read these posts and let us know how we can both buy one :rolleyes:. So far I have had no luck. I am planing to go to England in Sept., so maybe I can find one while there. JM
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i find it strange to see this thread back up here its been gone for a while now so what gives are you regenerating old threads or what..???:confused::confused:
 
The front page for the forum lists all the threads in order of the last update, so when someone replies to an older thread it comes back up to the top of the list again.


52merc said:
i find it strange to see this thread back up here its been gone for a while now so what gives are you regenerating old threads or what..???:confused::confused:
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There a Pilot for sale on Trade me at the moment ( like a NZ Ebay). I'm pretty sure it is the same one I drove 15 or so years ago when it was for sale in wellington. The grill bars are some made out of painted steel rod. The originals were die cast an prone to breaking.

Here is the link. In fact there are two at present for sale a car and a truck.


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Ford/pilot/auction-301509826.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Ford/v8/auction-298928885.htm


GB
 
Actually the grill assembly was not die cast; rather it was a very flimsy chrome on brass affair, with each grill bar being pop riveted to the top and bottom plates. Very , very flimsy. Must be the hardest part to find for a Pilot. Brian
 
Brian said:
Actually the grill assembly was not die cast; rather it was a very flimsy chrome on brass affair, with each grill bar being pop riveted to the top and bottom plates. Very , very flimsy. Must be the hardest part to find for a Pilot. Brian
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I stand corrected Brian. Got my info from a book on ford australia where a service meant a grill replacement each time because they were diecast and shook to bits on corrugated outback roads.

GB
 
Standard fasteners throughout. Same studs etc as American 21 stud.

Even the French flatheads have standard threads EXCEPT for where the ex manifolds bolt onto the sides of the block- there they have studs threaded with M10 fine [10 millimetre metric fine] Brian
 
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