Ford DATED safety glass.

[highbeams]

highbeams, You likely do not know this, but that book that you refer to is considered obsolete by the Club and is not being reprinted as it has led to numerous misunderstanding in concourse judging.

My reference to engine numbers is correct as that is what they were and what Ford called them, not a term used by someone coming along 60 years later and calling them serial numbers. You may do as you please regarding the terminology that you prefer, but please do not lecture those who have paid their dues in Ford's archives both here and abroad.

Your car has an early '33 engine, but that does not mean that it is in an early '33 Ford car as the manufacture of its engine and the installation of it in a vehicle often took place months apart (one engine plant and multiple assembly plants spread across the continent and no "just in time" inventory control).

I am not "lecturing". Please defer me to an article or articles as a basis or bases regarding your opinion that the prefix '18' (plus number) on the frame is a motor number; not a serial number.



Thank you.

 

[tubman]

Semantics.

 

[Zeke3]

Please defer me to an article or articles as a basis or bases regarding your opinion that the prefix '18' (plus number) on the frame is a motor number; not a serial number.

See "The Early Ford V8 As Henry Built It, A Production Facts Book 1932-38," by Edward P. Francis and George DeAngelis; page 20 Engine Numbering. There is no mention of a "Serial" number in this publication.

I used to think it was a serial number, before this discussion, thanks DavidG for educating us on the correct Ford terminology.

 

[Don Rogers]

Here is an out take from the engine log found at the Benson Ford Research Center. This page is one of hundreds in the log book. In all instances they reference Engine or Motor numbers when referencing changes.

 

[highbeams]

I don't know about the content of your first paragraph, but your second is in error as Ford was but one of many safety glass manufacturers around the world during the 1930s and later and certainly not the largest. Pilkington and Saint Gobain in Europe produced safety glass before Ford started production of glass as did LOF and PPG in the U.S. Further, Ford did not exclusively use its own glass. That letter below the Ford oval indicates it is Ford-made glass when it is an 'F'. If that letter is other than an 'F', such as 'L" and 'P', then the glass was not made by Ford. That relates back to the earlier comment about identifying glass by source for warranty purposes.

Depending on the country in Europe during those days, Ford could not use the oval and script on the glass in its vehicles either built in Europe or imported from the U.S.
because it refused to be a party to the infamous Pilkington/Saint Gobain glass cartel.

THANK YOU. I don't recall where I read my incorrect info. Appreciate your reply.

 

[highbeams]

Here is an out take from the engine log found at the Benson Ford Research Center. This page is one of hundreds in the log book. In all instances they reference Engine or Motor numbers when referencing changes.

Thank you, Don. Appreciate your time & effort.

 

[highbeams]

Thank you, Don. Appreciate your time & effort.

 

[highbeams]

See "The Early Ford V8 As Henry Built It, A Production Facts Book 1932-38," by Edward P. Francis and George DeAngelis; page 20 Engine Numbering. There is no mention of a "Serial" number in this publication.

I used to think it was a serial number, before this discussion, thanks DavidG for educating us on the correct Ford terminology.

Thank you all for your help!

 

[highbeams]

highbeams, You likely do not know this, but that book that you refer to is considered obsolete by the Club and is not being reprinted as it has led to numerous misunderstanding in concourse judging.

My reference to engine numbers is correct as that is what they were and what Ford called them, not a term used by someone coming along 60 years later and calling them serial numbers. You may do as you please regarding the terminology that you prefer, but please do not lecture those who have paid their dues in Ford's archives both here and abroad.

Your car has an early '33 engine, but that does not mean that it is in an early '33 Ford car as the manufacture of its engine and the installation of it in a vehicle often took place months apart (one engine plant and multiple assembly plants spread across the continent and no "just in time" inventory control).

Thank you, David G. Much Appreciate it!

 

[highbeams]

For one who obviously enjoys reading about FORD history, I would suggest that you pass on reading anything that is contained in car magazines, with the major exception of the V8 Times. Those monthly rags employ hacks to fill their pages for the casual reader. For the serious student of Ford history, there are several hundred hardcover books that were researched far better than any monthly car mag could hope for. My favorite source on all subjects Ford is the three volume set by the historian Allan Nevins known as the Ford Trilogy. Titles of those volumes are:

FORD Expansion and Challenge
FORD Decline and Rebirth
FORD The Times The Man The Company

Thank you much, Alan.

 

[highbeams]

Factory drawings show the bug located in the lower left corner of windshield on the surface facing up on the glass conveyor belt. After that when the glass was placed in the frame it could be on the left facing in or the right facing out.

Thank you, Don.

My Sanders windshield will arrive next week. This 3w car has a replaced plate-glass (cracked windshield). The door glass bugs are not visible; don't want to pull the original mohair door panels to view them; but the top edges are two plates with squeezed-out old-old glue. The back window has the 6Ford33.

 

[koates]

highbeams, You likely do not know this, but that book that you refer to is considered obsolete by the Club and is not being reprinted as it has led to numerous misunderstanding in concourse judging. DavidG, The above statement is the first I have heard of this. The 1933-34 restoration book was last listed for sale in the V8 TIMES in early 2021. I understand there is a new edition to be published in the future. There were a couple of revisions of the original book some time back, but I only ever received one of those. Is there a corrections list available currently ? Regards, Kevin.

 

[DavidG]

Kevin,


There were five in total, dated 2008, on the Club website in the left hand column on the home page under "Ford Information".

 

[highbeams]

Thank you, Don.

My Sanders windshield will arrive next week. This 3w car has a replaced plate-glass (cracked windshield). The door glass bugs are not visible; don't want to pull the original mohair door panels to view them; but the top edges are two plates with squeezed-out old-old glue. The back window has the 6Ford33.

"driver side" or "passenger side" = clearly understood,

as opposed to "right side" or "left side".

Thank you, Don!

 

[swoopNZ]

As pertaining to LHD not RHD vehicles.
We walk upside down and drive on the wrong side of the road in these parts.
Chris.NZ.

 

[V8COOPMAN]

"driver side" or "passenger side" = clearly understood,

as opposed to "right side" or "left side".

Thank you, Don!

H-beams....."DRIVER Side" & "PASSENGER Side" can very quickly become un-clear and misunderstood when you take into account that here on this forum (as well as out in the real world), we frequently make references toward "LHD" & "RHD" cars which, to the un-initiated, means "Right-Hand Drive" & "Left-Hand Drive" respectively. So, the "driver side" of a car from New Zealand will NOT be anything like the "driver side" of a U. S. car. Making reference to either "LEFT SIDE" or "RIGHT SIDE", when viewed sitting in the front seat and looking forward, will never leave you wondering or confused. Coop

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[deuce_roadster]

For many of my 30 years working for the University of Washington we were in rented space in downtown Seattle. We had the 21st floor of a high rise and I had a wonderful NW corner office looking out at Elliot Bay and North with a view of Mt. Baker.
One day I looked down at the window itself and the spacer between the double panes had an oval with Ford script like mentioned above. While the view was wonderful, I always looked at the Ford script too and smiled! I was surprised to see that. (at that time, due to lack of office space on campus, the UW was renting 1 million sq' , and it was when there were a lot of half empty office buildings)

 

[Kube]

H-beams....."DRIVER Side" & "PASSENGER Side" can very quickly become un-clear and misunderstood when you take into account that here on this forum (as well as out in the real world), we frequently make references toward "LHD" & "RHD" cars which, to the un-initiated, means "Right-Hand Drive" & "Left-Hand Drive" respectively. So, the "driver side" of a car from New Zealand will NOT be anything like the "driver side" of a U. S. car. Making reference to either "LEFT SIDE" or "RIGHT SIDE", when viewed sitting in the front seat and looking forward, will never leave you wondering or confused. Coop

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Yes sir! I have made a habit out of asking folks seeking to purchase parts from me "left or right"?

 

[DavidG]

It is not just the days of good grammar that has went or maybe never were.

 

[Bob NH]

For what it's worth, I have a sample piece of glass with a date "bug" 3/36 submitted to Mr. John F. Griffin state of N.H. commissioner of motor vehicles for approval 12"x 12" safety glass. Shipped from Dearborn on 3/17/1936 Kind of a neat collectible I think ?