Flathead Ted Brakes

verdirick

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Has anyone had experience with installing Flathead Ted Brake kit in the rear brakes? I have the kit installed in the front brakes for a couple of years with very good results. Just put the adjuster in the rear, but am having problems with the the wheels locking up. I am about ready to reinstall the main (long) brake spring to avoid the "floating" of the shoes. If I back up the shoes lock and basically serve as an emergency brake. I drove about 5 miles and have very warm drums with marginal braking. Appreciate any comments.
Thanks
Rick Jensen
 
I am about to play with these floaters.

I don't see why , if the long spring was reinstalled , it would not still float.

The shoes are still free to slide across the adjuster head, just tied together with the spring.

Do, you think you may have too thin linings or worn drums , and the cam slider is on too less of an angle , and allowing the shoes to rotate and lock up , as Ted's are designed to nudge them back to a relaxed position.

Does Ted say to chamfer the lining ends?, Don't remember.

If you just drive forward for a few mile and coast to a stop without brakes, are the rear drums still hot?

Just thinking out aloud, as until I get them, I am guessing.
 
The ends should be chamfered for sure. Are your shoes centered?Are they arced? Are they adjusted too tight? Are the drums round? They will only self activate if they are dragging somewhere.
 
When installing Flathead's system on the rear brakes it is best to also purchase what he call his "pins". They replace the rollers that ride on the roller tracks. They are square instead of round and they slide on the tracks instead of roll. Each of the four sides is off-set by 1\16" of an inch by the shaft being off-center. Each pair for each wheel are a mirror image.

The drums must be round and the shoes arced to match. You also need a centering tool (Bratton's has one for $44, part number 2695). You also need to have the roller tracks relatively flat so the pins will slide on them.

The trick is to examine the pins carefully and determine the measurment of each side and mark them 1,2,3, and 4. I paste a piece of paper on the flat side and mark them. Be sure you have a mirrored pair. It is a trial and error effort to determine which number to use that will center the assembly fore and aft. They are difficult to install because they will want to rotate on you.

Final adjustment of each wheel should have the shoes as close as possible to the drum without dragging. This why the drum has to be round and the shoes arced to match.

If you go to the Orange County MAFC web site www.ocmafc.org and click on "tech articles" it will bring up the tech page. The two articles that appeared in Model A Times are posted there with the permission of John LaVoy. If you go to the top of the page and click on my name you will find an additional artcle that describes installation of the "pins".

I have installed Flathead's system on several cars with good results. I left the long spring off as he perscribes. I put a set on my Vic several years ago and I am very pleased with the improvement in the brakes. I put a lot of miles on it each year. Last summer I drove it to the MAFCA meet at Vancouver, BC and back to Southern California and the brakes worked very well except when they got wet in a rain storm.

Tom Endy
 
Thanks John: Yes I have read you article in detail. But I just can't get the shoes to keep from locking up. I think I need to keep the long spring in place?
 
Had the same problem on my CCPU after installation of the floaters. Problem turned out to be emergency brake band installation and not the new floaters. Hope this helps.
 
Like tom says you have to have perfect brakes before you install Teds floaters so you can have even more perfect brakes.

I just don't get it, if the brakes need to be so perfect, round, arched, etc, then they would work perfectly and your would not need Teds floaters?
 
Mike: it's a diabolical trick to get you to make your brakes perfect AND he makes money selling you the parts.(smiley goes here)
Paul in CT
 
Mike: it's a diabolical trick to get you to make your brakes perfect AND he makes money selling you the parts.(smiley goes here)
Paul in CT

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