Flat head chronology?

PeteVS

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Is there a single book or chart or whatever that lists all the flat head changes by date / model year? 21 to 24 stud? Pumps in head to pumps in block? Babbitt to inserts? All the carburetor and fuel pump changes? Distributors? I haven't been properly exposed to all this. I do know that Bruce knows all this stuff, but my brain doesn't have as many gigabytes as his does.
 
An engine rebuilder wrote this little list and gave it to me. I know it doesn't cover every change and may or may not be accurate but here is a start for you to build upon.

1932 to 1933 Main Bolts through to Lalter Valley
1932 to 1934 No Cam Bearings
1932 to 1934 36 Tooth Cam Gear
1932 to 1935 Babbitt Mains
1932 to 1936 2.00" Main Journals
1932 to 1937 Water Pumps in Heads
1932 to 1937 Timing Gear Pressed On
1932 to 1938 Rod Housing Bores 2.200"
1932 to 1938 21 Stud Heads
1932 to 1938 1.937 Rod Bearing Width (Flanged)
1932 to 1940 Core Plugs in Oil Pan Rails
1932 to 1942 2.00 Rod Journals
1932 to 1945 3 1/16" Bore
1932 to 1945 No Rear Seal
1932 to 1945 Irregular Water Holes
1932 to 1945 One Oil Hole Per Rod Throw
1932 to 1948 2 Piece Valve Guides
1932 to 1948 Mushroom Valves
1932 to 1948 Integral Bellhousing
1935 to 1948 Main Studs
1935 to 1948 Oil Filler/Breather Tube
1935 to 1948 44 Tooth Cam Gear
1935 to 1948 3 Cam Bearings
1936 - 1937 Thick Wall Main Bearings
1937 to 1938 2.400" Main Bearings
1937 to 1949 Water Outlets in Center of Heads
1938 to 1948 Water Pumps in the Block
1938 to 1948 Timing Gear Bolted On
1939 to 1946 1.750" Rod Bearing Width (No Flange)
1939 to 1942 2.00" Rod Journals (1.750" Wide)
1939 to 1948 24 Head Studs
1939 to 1948 2.500" Main Journals
1941 to 1942 Raised Intake Mount (Not Proven)
1942 to 1948 Rod Housing Bores 2.360"
1942 to 1948 2.139" Rod Journals (1.750" Wide)
1942 to 1953 2.139" Rod Journals
1942 - 1945 WAR, No General Production
1946 to 1948 Triangle and 2 Round Water Holes
1946 to 1948 3 3/16" Bore
1946 to 1948 Rear Main Caps with Drain Tubes / No Seals
1946 to 1948 "59" Casting
1949 to 1953 "Shorty Oil Pump
1949 to 1953 2 Oil Holes Per Rod Throw
1949 to 1953 Individual Rod Bearings
1949 to 1953 2 Oil Holes in Rod Throws
1949 to 1953 Distributor Moved to Top Right
1949 to 1953 Bolt on Bellhousing
1949 to 1953 One Piece Valve Guides
1949 to 1953 Modern Style Valves and Keepers
1950 to 1953 New Helical Gear Design Oil Pump
 
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Here are a couple items from my files. Credit for any of these tips should be given to the authors who are named.


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]'32-'53 Flathead Engine Tips From Technical Tips by Dick Flynn[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1. Use valve grind compound to seat rear hubs on axles so taper fits tight and torque to 150 ft/lbs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2. When replacing fuel pump (buy new if possible), install new push rod - make sure lobe isn't flat and pack heavy grease in fuel pump linkage so condensation from engine won't get to the linkage and ruin pump.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3. Use only hub puller on Ford hubs or you can ruin axle and brake drum by pulling on lugs.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]4. If you are going to replace shackle bushings and are not going for a 100 point Concourse Car, use the new style high tech bushings as the car will handle better and they won't grind apart.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]5. Replace upper steering shaft and bushing with ball bearings #C3DZ-3517A plus spring and bushing (Ford).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]6. When grinding valves, always use valve grind compound and lap valves to assure a good seat.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]7. Do not use copper head gaskets on aluminum heads - they set up electrolysis and new head gaskets should be coated with a sealer so they will let head slide from heat. Also, coolant won't seep through head gasket.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]8. When installing head studs or head bolts that go into the water jacket (all Ford '32-'53), seal threads with sealer so water won't seep out of threads.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]9. When building new engine install a '49-'53 oil pump which is 80# instead of 50# and the pickup tube has to be re-made and sending unit changed.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10. When replacing grease seals, never use leather seals - always use neoprene.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]11. For rust free brake system, use silicone brake fluid made by Dow Corning. Flush brake lines with flushing fluid - this leaves no residue and replace all rubber parts in master cylinder and wheel cylinders. Any drop of old brake fluid will attract water.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]12. Do not start car unless you are going to drive car 15 or 20 miles because condensation will stay in engine and exhaust system and will deteriorate both.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]13. Balance clutch and flywheel or engine will vibrate. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]14. Never use used transmission bearings. They will make noise and you will have to tear apart again.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]15. Magnaflux rear axles when rear end is apart to make sure there aren't any cracks or flaws.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]16. Torque all bolts and nuts to specified torque as not to weaken or distort by over tightening.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]17. Use Monel for pins in the drive shaft sleeve. Mild steel will work; hardened steel comes apart and will break in half and fly out. (Arc weld ends of pins to keep in place)[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]18. Keep gas tank full so condensation won't form or water will settle in bottom of gas tank and rust and weaken.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]19. When installing axles and drive shaft, cover with heavy grease to prevent condensation from forming rust and weakening.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]20. When rebuilding '32-'48 Ford differentials, have bearing races installed on axle housing even if you think they look good, then they will last forever. They wear faster than you think. They will fall apart![/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]21. When the inhibitors in anti-freeze break down the ethylene glycol will attack the lead in the solder in the radiator and also any aluminum parts plugging tubes in radiator, also anti-freeze will seep where water won't -- this means all gaskets.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]22. Use Propylene Glycol anti-freeze only! It won't destroy engine bearings if it is induced into the engine oil. Ethylene glycol anti-freeze will instantly ruin all engine bearings if it is induced into the engine oil. Propylene anti-freeze helps eliminate cavication corrosion problems better. It is safer to dispose of also. It has a lowed toxicity to pets and wildlife.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]23. Put silicone on tires and all rubber parts to help preserve and keep temperature at 60-65 with air circulating. Keep covered with cloth car cover in darkened area.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]24. If car sets for a long period of time pump brake pedal to keep all cylinders lubricated so rubber cups don't become unsealed from cylinder walls.[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, sans-serif]5/27/07 Post on Fordbarn regarding worth of keeping a '32-36 Ford FH engine by Charlie Stephens: [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]The engines are definitely worth keeping. There were no serial numbers on the engine for US production (the serial number was stamped into the transmission). There are casting numbers on the block and someone will undoubtedly help you with them. Following is the criteria I use for identification: [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Identification of the early flatheads is best approached in terms of the block. There is an unbelievable amount of interchangeability for the accessories over the years. Count the number of head studs. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]1) If there are 17 studs it is a “V8 60” used in vehicles between 1937 and 1940. This engine was also used in the French built Simca in the sixties but I don’t know what occurred between these two periods. Look for casting numbers and stamped steel water jackets in the side of the block. Post what you find and someone can probably further identify the engine.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]2) If there are 21 studs the block was built 1932 to 1938. The transition to 24 studs was late in 1938. Check the water petcocks on the front of the block next to where the lower hose from the radiator enters either an inlet fitting (1936 and earlier) or the water pump (1937 and later). It the petcocks point straight down it is a ’32 block. If the block is not a ’32 next look for a vent from the crankcase area out through the front corner of the oil pan. If there is no vent the block is 1933-34. If there is a vent it is 1935 or later. As a matter of interest, the late 1935 engines were the first to use insert bearings and can usually (but not always) be identified by the letters “LB” stamped into the surface where the intake manifold attaches. Babbitt bearing engines were produced at the same time the insert bearing engines were produced from late 1935 thru 1936. Now check for the locat1on of the water pumps. If the water pumps mount on the block the engine is 1937 or later. Frequently you will encounter a 1937 block with factory block off plates held on by two bolts over the water pump passage at the front of the block as it was common for Ford dealers to install this engine as a replacement in the earlier cars. Of course there will be slight transition periods at model change over with the older blocks usually going into the commercial vehicles. There may be subtle differences between the 1933-34 and the 1935-36 engines but I am knowledgeable enough about these years to know what they are. The casting numbers on the flywheel housing will also help identify the exact year of the engine. Post what you find and someone can probably further identify the engine.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]3) If there are 24 studs the engine was produced between late 1938 and 1953 (1954 in Canada). If the distributor is mounted on the front of the block the engine is late 1938 through 1948 (1947 for trucks). If the distributor comes up at an angle and appears more like a modern distributor it is a 1949 (1948 for truck) through 1953 (1954 in Canada). The casting numbers on the flywheel housing will further identify the exact year of the engine. Post what you find and someone can probably further identify the engine.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]4) There are a lot of additional foreign and industrial applications of these engines but the preceding covers the domestic US automobile production. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Charlie Stephens[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]________________________________________________________________________________ [/FONT]
 
I would question the line " 1937 to 1953 water outlets in center of head"
Also add a line for the latest style head.
 
Is there a single book or chart or whatever that lists all the flat head changes by date / model year? 21 to 24 stud? Pumps in head to pumps in block? Babbitt to inserts? All the carburetor and fuel pump changes? Distributors? I haven't been properly exposed to all this. I do know that Bruce knows all this stuff, but my brain doesn't have as many gigabytes as his does.

If you should find this magic book or chart that lists all the flat head changes by date / model year on 21 to 24 stud engines please let us all know where you found it. I could really use a copy. :)
 
I would question the line " 1937 to 1953 water outlets in center of head"
Also add a line for the latest style head.

Agreed what year was the change, 49-50?

As mentioned it isn't probably all correct but a short list of changes to build upon.
 
Question for JM 35 Sedan. What is the theory behind using valve grinding compound to seat hubs on rear axles? Thank you, Dennis/Arkansas
 
The Ford Green Bible has probably the most complete information though it is somewhat hard to decipher. The Green Bible covers 1928 thru 1948 passenger cars and 19328 through 1947 trucks.

Reprints are available through Faxon Automotive. $69.00 for a paper edition and $30.00 for a CD. Try this link (about 1/2 down the page you'll find the Green Bible):

http://www.faxonautoliterature.com/products.cfm

Jim
 
Question for JM 35 Sedan. What is the theory behind using valve grinding compound to seat hubs on rear axles? Thank you, Dennis/Arkansas

The more perfect of a match that you can have on the tapers, the better the hub will attach to the axle... inturn taking the stress off the key.

Zach
 
Thank you Zach, so essentially it fills up little imperfections in the mating surfaces, is that correct? All the Best, Dennis/Arkansas
The more perfect of a match that you can have on the tapers, the better the hub will attach to the axle... inturn taking the stress off the key.

Zach
 
Thanking you flatjack9, now we're getting somewhere. Before the key goes in you apply compound and rotate drum back and forth to get a good seat, then remove drum and clean off the compound and bolt the drum on? Kindest Regards, Dennis/Arkansas
No, it smoothes both surfaces so that you get total contact of two surfaces. Makes for a very tight fit.
 
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