the-stig
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See Page 5 of this "Sticky"for pictures of a radiator swap.
Early Mustang radiators seems to almost bolt in;
1964-66 measures 16 3/8" X 19 7/8"
1967-69 measures 16 3/8" X 16 7/8"
V6 rad has pass side top port and driver side lower port and V8 rad has both ports on the pass side. If buying a V8 Mustang radiator, these measurements are for the small block (289/302) radiators). 390/427 radiators are bigger. NEW ! 11/25/20 If you are running the early short 289 water pump or have the 223 Six cylinder now there is a radiator that is a direct bolt in for 1952-56 Fords: [/FONT][FONT="]https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Row-Perf...949-1953-Ford-Cars-Chevy-Engine/123914986055?[/FONT][FONT="] ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Thanks ! To member Greaser 35[/FONT][FONT="]
eBay has loads of inexpensive options, many with custom options like bigger ports, multiple cores, with or w/o trans cooler ports, etc.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Here is a heater hose that will take care of the problem when you run a hei in a 302 eng. Use heater hose number nbh 9813, this is a long one or nbh 9806, this is a short one they have a 90-degree bend on one end use a straight heater hose nipple in the manifold these are napa numbers this worked fine in my 55[/FONT]
[FONT="]how can one tell if they have the long or short water pump by looking? and is it possible to fit the 65-69 pump and balancer on a later 302 (80s early 90s) if any of us has one? Yes, the early pump has a passenger side lower hose the long pump is 1970 and later and the lower hose is driver’s side, you must match the year of the pump to the same years of pulleys, Ford also made three different lengths of balancers to make things more confusing. This will explain it in detail, scroll down to my post:[/FONT][FONT="]http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/sbf-short-water-pump-pulleys.303600/[/FONT]
[FONT="]Tech Info on using AN fittings and hoses: [/FONT][FONT="]http://www.rodauthority.com/tech-st...se-practices-with-fragola-performance-systems[/FONT][FONT="] Video on AN's [/FONT][FONT="]https://www.racingjunk.com/news/vid...2_26_20_Burnout_Newsletter Content Newslette[/FONT][FONT="]r[/FONT]
[FONT="]heater core # 399025 available at most parts stores. very slight modification to the housing using a round file.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Champion Radiator now has a "3 row x 1" tube" radiator for our cars at a great price in any configuration you need. Standard set up is passenger side upper hose and driver’s side lower, but for $80 they moved my lower to the passenger side. They can also set it up for front or rear positions i.e., V6 or V8. 07/29/20 Notation Update" The radiator for 1952-56 Ford swaps which is a 1967 Mustang 20" core unit can be had both ways. If you used the early 1965-69 289 "short" water pump you want the radiator listed for a V8 car (passenger side lower hose outlet) If your SBF has a 1970 and later "long" pump, then use the 6 cylinder radiator which has the driver’s side lower hose. When you shop ebay put "1967 Mustang Radiator 20" in Search then on the left of the column you will see "brand choice" select Champion.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]We have found that the 1952-56 cars have issues with radiator clearance if the car had a V8 previously the 6 cyl cars had their radiators mounted more forward and there was a difference in the splash pan attachment panels the pictures below show the fix. [/FONT][FONT="]Scroll down for additional pictures. [/FONT]
[FONT="]From the engine side.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In regard to the pictures above, you can see how close the electric fan with shroud are to the water pump pulley. So, keep in mind two things and that is first the pan shield requires being cut like the above pictures if you are replacing a Flathead or Y-block V8 the Six cylinder cars already have the radiator positioned further forward. Second notice the last picture shows that the water pump has a drivers side lower hose that indicates it is a 1970 and later "long pump" using a 1966-69 289 short pump and balancer will gain about 4" extra clearance. The picture here shows a 1954 Ford that had a Six and now has a 302 with the early short pump and the radiator in the stock 6 cyl location. Also when doing a swap we have found the AOD a better fit than using a C4 regarding the transmission cross member mount the specs here tell the tale [/FONT][FONT="]http://non-stoptransmission.com/en/info-ford.php[/FONT][FONT="] This illustration shows why you have more radiator to fan space if you are doing a 302/351 swap in a 52-56 car that had a Six from the factory ,look in the bottom right corner at the sheet metal that moves the radiator mounting forward.[/FONT]
[FONT="]What allows the radiator to be placed further forward in a '54 with a 6 cylinder are the two panels shown in the right lower section here part #6775 & 6776[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Picture of a 1966 Mustang radiator used in a 1952-55 swap with the shorter 1965-69 289 water pump and dampener. (lower hose is passenger side)[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Radiators[/FONT][FONT="]
See Page 5 of this "Sticky"for pictures of a radiator swap.
Early Mustang radiators seems to almost bolt in;
1964-66 measures 16 3/8" X 19 7/8"
1967-69 measures 16 3/8" X 16 7/8"
V6 rad has pass side top port and driver side lower port and V8 rad has both ports on the pass side. If buying a V8 Mustang radiator, these measurements are for the small block (289/302) radiators). 390/427 radiators are bigger. NEW ! 11/25/20 If you are running the early short 289 water pump or have the 223 Six cylinder now there is a radiator that is a direct bolt in for 1952-56 Fords: [/FONT][FONT="]https://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Row-Perf...949-1953-Ford-Cars-Chevy-Engine/123914986055?[/FONT][FONT="] ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Thanks ! To member Greaser 35[/FONT][FONT="]
eBay has loads of inexpensive options, many with custom options like bigger ports, multiple cores, with or w/o trans cooler ports, etc.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Here is a heater hose that will take care of the problem when you run a hei in a 302 eng. Use heater hose number nbh 9813, this is a long one or nbh 9806, this is a short one they have a 90-degree bend on one end use a straight heater hose nipple in the manifold these are napa numbers this worked fine in my 55[/FONT]
[FONT="]how can one tell if they have the long or short water pump by looking? and is it possible to fit the 65-69 pump and balancer on a later 302 (80s early 90s) if any of us has one? Yes, the early pump has a passenger side lower hose the long pump is 1970 and later and the lower hose is driver’s side, you must match the year of the pump to the same years of pulleys, Ford also made three different lengths of balancers to make things more confusing. This will explain it in detail, scroll down to my post:[/FONT][FONT="]http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/sbf-short-water-pump-pulleys.303600/[/FONT]
[FONT="]Tech Info on using AN fittings and hoses: [/FONT][FONT="]http://www.rodauthority.com/tech-st...se-practices-with-fragola-performance-systems[/FONT][FONT="] Video on AN's [/FONT][FONT="]https://www.racingjunk.com/news/vid...2_26_20_Burnout_Newsletter Content Newslette[/FONT][FONT="]r[/FONT]
[FONT="]heater core # 399025 available at most parts stores. very slight modification to the housing using a round file.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Champion Radiator now has a "3 row x 1" tube" radiator for our cars at a great price in any configuration you need. Standard set up is passenger side upper hose and driver’s side lower, but for $80 they moved my lower to the passenger side. They can also set it up for front or rear positions i.e., V6 or V8. 07/29/20 Notation Update" The radiator for 1952-56 Ford swaps which is a 1967 Mustang 20" core unit can be had both ways. If you used the early 1965-69 289 "short" water pump you want the radiator listed for a V8 car (passenger side lower hose outlet) If your SBF has a 1970 and later "long" pump, then use the 6 cylinder radiator which has the driver’s side lower hose. When you shop ebay put "1967 Mustang Radiator 20" in Search then on the left of the column you will see "brand choice" select Champion.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]We have found that the 1952-56 cars have issues with radiator clearance if the car had a V8 previously the 6 cyl cars had their radiators mounted more forward and there was a difference in the splash pan attachment panels the pictures below show the fix. [/FONT][FONT="]Scroll down for additional pictures. [/FONT]
[FONT="]From the engine side.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In regard to the pictures above, you can see how close the electric fan with shroud are to the water pump pulley. So, keep in mind two things and that is first the pan shield requires being cut like the above pictures if you are replacing a Flathead or Y-block V8 the Six cylinder cars already have the radiator positioned further forward. Second notice the last picture shows that the water pump has a drivers side lower hose that indicates it is a 1970 and later "long pump" using a 1966-69 289 short pump and balancer will gain about 4" extra clearance. The picture here shows a 1954 Ford that had a Six and now has a 302 with the early short pump and the radiator in the stock 6 cyl location. Also when doing a swap we have found the AOD a better fit than using a C4 regarding the transmission cross member mount the specs here tell the tale [/FONT][FONT="]http://non-stoptransmission.com/en/info-ford.php[/FONT][FONT="] This illustration shows why you have more radiator to fan space if you are doing a 302/351 swap in a 52-56 car that had a Six from the factory ,look in the bottom right corner at the sheet metal that moves the radiator mounting forward.[/FONT]
[FONT="]What allows the radiator to be placed further forward in a '54 with a 6 cylinder are the two panels shown in the right lower section here part #6775 & 6776[/FONT]
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[FONT="]Picture of a 1966 Mustang radiator used in a 1952-55 swap with the shorter 1965-69 289 water pump and dampener. (lower hose is passenger side)[/FONT]
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