Exhaust Diagram

V12Bill

V12Bill

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Just purchase a dual exhaust system from Waldrons for my 1950 Ford F1. I had nothing to start with and now need to know what goes over, under or through.The system is stock on the right side and a mirror image on the left side. A diagram of a stock system would be a big help. I understand that I may need to tweak a few pipes, but I need to know what is right and what is wrong before I tweak in the wrong direction. A source of a diagram would be a great help. Thanks
 
The diagram that you post has a single pipe on the right side from the manifold to the muffler. The Waldron system that I have has two pieces between the manifold and the muffler and does not show if the pipe goes under, over or through the cross member. I was told that Waldron uses the original pipe lay out , at least on the right side other than the cross over pipe.. Maybe I need to call Walddron and see what they have to say.
 
On a F1 it´s usually nothing going through...just over the rearaxle.
And since its a dual system made by Waldron they should be able to supply you with the hanger points they had in mind and you go from there.
 
According to Waldron, the pipe goes through the cross member. There is a hole on the right side for the master cylinder in export cars /trucks, but I happen to be using the hole in the left side for my master cylinder. Maybe I can remove the master cylinder. Is it that important? I would like to see a Henry stock picture or diagram. The chassis books show 6 cylinder and school bus applications, but no V8 F1.
 
The hole for the export master cylinder on the right side measures 1 3/4". I'm going to need a BF hammer to get that 2" pipe through that. Disappointed in Waldron. Thought their level of expertise was higher than that.
 
I don't think you will find a diagram in any Ford manual or literature, since it was never offered on the assembly line or as a dealer accessory. Best hope would be a diagram from Waldron, if they have such a thing. Or get all of the pieces under the truck and figure out how it has to be.


Sal
 
Sal, From past experience I am afraid you are right. Preliminary set up shows a big difference between the fit on the left and fit on the right. Get out the torch and heat and bend to suit. Just what I didn't want to do. That is why I went to Waldron in the first place.
 
The OEM set up (single exhaust) had a traditional forked pipe for the right side. The manifolds exited on the front for both sides so the left cross over was just a 90 degree bend to cross over and join on the lower fork of the right pipe. There is a diagram for V8 F100 pickup in my 1948 thru 55 Ford truck chassis parts book and it is very similar to all the F1 types as well. The pipe goes under the center cross member then over the rear axle as was previously mentioned. Here is a link to Mac/Ekler's site for a comparison. https://www.macsautoparts.com/ford_truck_late/catalogsearch/result/?q=exhaust+pipe&x=23&y=8

The OEM front pipe would have to lose the cross over fork to work as a right side only and the left side has to clear the steering like any Ford of the era. If you can get enough hangers you can put the Waldron's stuff on there for the best fit you can get. Ford used a bunch of hangers just for the single exhaust set up.

Custom exhaust fabrication is getting expensive these days. It used to be pretty reasonable but shop rates are way up there now.
 
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V12, I sent you a PM regarding sending you a copy of the Ford dual setup diagram starting in 1953 after Ford developed the setup on a 1953 Conv. to run as a Indy Race Pace car. It is covered in Product Info Sheet, Page A-2-102 and approved for duals starting in 1952 for the V8. The pipes run just inside the frame rails on both sides. They made a left side manifold. I have duals on my '53 Victoria using Fenton headers using existing frame holes. Don
 
Big Red 51 said:
V12, I sent you a PM regarding sending you a copy of the Ford dual setup diagram starting in 1953 after Ford developed the setup on a 1953 Conv. to run as a Indy Race Pace car. It is covered in Product Info Sheet, Page A-2-102 and approved for duals starting in 1952 for the V8. The pipes run just inside the frame rails on both sides. They made a left side manifold. I have duals on my '53 Victoria using Fenton headers using existing frame holes. Don
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Only problem is V12Bill has a '51 F1 and not a car. Pretty sure it's going to be quite a bit different.
Sometimes it's best to just find a muffler shop that is willing to bend a set to fit your vehicle. They are places out there that won't charge an arm and a leg.


Sal
 
I would ask waldron's for photos of an installed system. They are a reputable vendor and I can't imagine you were the first to buy this set up.
 
V12Bill said:
Waldrons were short on advice and what they advised was impossible.
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They advertise that they’ve been around for a long time so Im surprised to read this. But, putting dual exhaust on a vehicle that only came with single, is going to take some extra effort for sure. Hopefully someone can post a picture of their’s to help you......... Mark
 
They don't seem to advertise the dual exhaust set up on their web site but they can likely fabricate a system to fit anything if they had a model or a blueprint. If they had no pattern for the left side then it likely won't fit like it should (you'll have to make it fit). The left side has the steering & clutch equalizer to consider and possibly other items.

We never tried to dual out any of our old F1 pickups when I was young.
 
Ironically, the best picture or diagram came from a picture of a model truck. The pipe in front of the muffler has 4 90* bends in it, an inside bend, two outside bends and an inside bend. This conflagration of bends goes under the side rail and is tucked up between the running board and the cross member where it is riveted to the rail. The pictures that Waldron sent me of the pipes laid out on the floor, had this pipe reversed adding confusion to the picture. I showed this to a friend with an F1 with a non stock system and he agreed that the pipe was shown wrong in the picture.


Tomorrow I get out the torch and bend to suit. Thanks for the additional advice.


Bill
 
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