DavidNA
Junior Member
Hi,
Just joined, this is my first post, I have just bought was is believed to be the only surviving UK Ford Dagenham built 1935 V8 22 HP three window coupe de luxe .It is RHD, was originally fitted with the early 2 exhaust valve 22 HP engine, which was replaced by the slightly later Model 62 22 HP engine which is the same as the US V8-60 from 1937 onwards.
It has been off the road since 1940 when the first owner died, the original engine block cracked in the harsh winter of 1962, and between 1962 and 1978 the damaged engine was replaced with a Ford Dagenham replacement engine R88505P, which is in the car today, however it has not run for many years, and is seized.
In 1978 the coupe was sold by Sotheby's in the UK, and the car was sold to a Mr Bass, an American, who shipped the car back to Chicago, it remained unused although dry stored until he died in the last couple of years. I have bought the car from the very helpful Nick Ellis and his father from Old Creek Motors near Chicago, who bought it from the Bass family.
Condition is excellent, 19652 miles on the clock from new, original interior, mats, original seats and mats in the dickey (rumble) seat, original paint and all original fittings which are a little different for the US Home market cars, headlamps, side lights (fender lights), semaphore indicators on the scuttle, and the 22HP engine. I've posted a few pics, the cream side panel is period, having been added by the first owner, Dr Robert Shephard of Cookham Dean, Berkshire, who ordered the car from the stand at the 1935 Ford show in London.
The car will stay as is, due to the rarity and originality, it will be cleaned and sympathetically re-commissioned, so hence I need some advice on engine compatibility with the British V8-60 and the US V8-60 . Just as intro I have collected cars for forty years since my teens, mainly British 1930's sports and racing cars, a few E Type's and XK's, AM DB's and last year a prototype FWD '64 Mustang - so happy working with older engines as well as classic. The last three years have mainly been 37/38 Buick Coupes and a '40 Packard 120, and now the Ford V8.
From what I understand, the original 60 engine is rare, as most were updated to the 62 engine, there being perhaps under 10 of the original 3355 known in Europe and Australasia. The 2227 cc 60 HP engine was designed for Europe, and launched in Europe before the US, where it became popular for Midget racers.
Question 1. Are the British engine parts interchangeable with US or Canadian parts ? The British engine has a different inlet with no provision for a mechanical pump, as it runs on an Autopulse electric pump, plus the engine has an aluminum sump, which was also on the early 37/38 US V8-60 engines ?
Question 2. The V8-60 (22HP) engine has a different gearbox to the 30 HP 3621 cc car, and the 30 HP engine will not fit the 22HP transmission. As I want to install a replacement engine whilst the existing engine is rebuilt over the winter,has anyone any experience of fitting a 1940 V8-60 engine with the heavier crank to an earlier transmission or earlier 22HP / V8-60 car. The 1940 V8- 60crank is some 2" longer, and I will need to change install the existing dynamo due to the fact the 40 engine drives from the bottom pully, probably the alloy sump, and possibly the inlet manifold from my British engine to utilize the electric fuel pump.
So any information about the interchangeability of the 1940 V8-60 engine with the 37/39 engines and transmission would be welcome as well as parts interchangeability between US V8-60 2227 cc (136 cu in) and the British manufactured 2227 cc V8-62 22HP engine.
Thx
David
Just joined, this is my first post, I have just bought was is believed to be the only surviving UK Ford Dagenham built 1935 V8 22 HP three window coupe de luxe .It is RHD, was originally fitted with the early 2 exhaust valve 22 HP engine, which was replaced by the slightly later Model 62 22 HP engine which is the same as the US V8-60 from 1937 onwards.
It has been off the road since 1940 when the first owner died, the original engine block cracked in the harsh winter of 1962, and between 1962 and 1978 the damaged engine was replaced with a Ford Dagenham replacement engine R88505P, which is in the car today, however it has not run for many years, and is seized.
In 1978 the coupe was sold by Sotheby's in the UK, and the car was sold to a Mr Bass, an American, who shipped the car back to Chicago, it remained unused although dry stored until he died in the last couple of years. I have bought the car from the very helpful Nick Ellis and his father from Old Creek Motors near Chicago, who bought it from the Bass family.
Condition is excellent, 19652 miles on the clock from new, original interior, mats, original seats and mats in the dickey (rumble) seat, original paint and all original fittings which are a little different for the US Home market cars, headlamps, side lights (fender lights), semaphore indicators on the scuttle, and the 22HP engine. I've posted a few pics, the cream side panel is period, having been added by the first owner, Dr Robert Shephard of Cookham Dean, Berkshire, who ordered the car from the stand at the 1935 Ford show in London.
The car will stay as is, due to the rarity and originality, it will be cleaned and sympathetically re-commissioned, so hence I need some advice on engine compatibility with the British V8-60 and the US V8-60 . Just as intro I have collected cars for forty years since my teens, mainly British 1930's sports and racing cars, a few E Type's and XK's, AM DB's and last year a prototype FWD '64 Mustang - so happy working with older engines as well as classic. The last three years have mainly been 37/38 Buick Coupes and a '40 Packard 120, and now the Ford V8.
From what I understand, the original 60 engine is rare, as most were updated to the 62 engine, there being perhaps under 10 of the original 3355 known in Europe and Australasia. The 2227 cc 60 HP engine was designed for Europe, and launched in Europe before the US, where it became popular for Midget racers.
Question 1. Are the British engine parts interchangeable with US or Canadian parts ? The British engine has a different inlet with no provision for a mechanical pump, as it runs on an Autopulse electric pump, plus the engine has an aluminum sump, which was also on the early 37/38 US V8-60 engines ?
Question 2. The V8-60 (22HP) engine has a different gearbox to the 30 HP 3621 cc car, and the 30 HP engine will not fit the 22HP transmission. As I want to install a replacement engine whilst the existing engine is rebuilt over the winter,has anyone any experience of fitting a 1940 V8-60 engine with the heavier crank to an earlier transmission or earlier 22HP / V8-60 car. The 1940 V8- 60crank is some 2" longer, and I will need to change install the existing dynamo due to the fact the 40 engine drives from the bottom pully, probably the alloy sump, and possibly the inlet manifold from my British engine to utilize the electric fuel pump.
So any information about the interchangeability of the 1940 V8-60 engine with the 37/39 engines and transmission would be welcome as well as parts interchangeability between US V8-60 2227 cc (136 cu in) and the British manufactured 2227 cc V8-62 22HP engine.
Thx
David
