Engine issues

31 AA pickup. Cleaned Carb., Cleaned Tank, New gas, New points, Condenser, Cap, Rotor, 6V, Timed, Good spark. Starts good,
Compression (cold) #1-59 #2-60 #3-60 #4-63. Checks value lash, All right at 15 thous. When running the engine has a slight noise around the exhaust manifold towards the back of the engine. And Pops now and then in the exhaust and doesn't run smooth. Placed screw driver and grounded out every plug one at a time. Noise would go away when #4 cylinder would be ground out. Exhaust / Intake gasket doesn't seam to be leaking.
Any Ideas ?
 
How long has this been happening? since you have owned the car?
Was anything done to the car before this all began?
What prompted you to pull the side cover and check valve lash?
Modern or stock points? Point gap is set to what?
Timed how, exactly per Marco's instructions?
Sounds like it is timed late at first glance.
 
Got it 3 weeks ago. Last time it ran was 2 years ago. Stock points, New amp. gauge, key switch, wire from Dist. to key switch, and wire under points. all new. Points set at 20 thous. Pulled side cover to check for stuck values due to this problem. Adapter for compression test showed up today so I check that.
 
If you suspect a slow to close valve, you can connect a vacuum gauge to the intake vacuum port and watch the needle at higher speeds, when it starts popping.

A can of Sea Foam in the gas and another in the oil should help sticking valves.
 
Tom, I never thought about a slow to close Value. I've only had it running 5 or 6 time sense I got it. about 20 min. run time total . It' not like I'm going to take it out and drive it when it's been -20 and now with one of the worst blizzards I've even seen with the 10 + in for snow that is coming down now. Other than the engine Issues it runs great. I'll have to put some sea foam in and just run it.
Tbird, Timed it by the youtube video (can't rember his name) that wright all the books.
I have two other A's, All time the same way, and they all run good.
Thanks for all the help
 
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Check your exhaust valve spring on number 4. You may have a broken spring that don't always pull the valve closed and you get back fire through the exhaust.
 
That corn crap gas is famous for making valves stick.
I've had some guys tell me that after they parked the car for the winter they lost compression due to stuck valves.
 
Agree with Tom 110% about corn crap. Nebraska needs to be cut out with a chain saw and left adrift at sea.

Marvel Mystery Oil works well, too. Get enough in the gas that the exhaust is smoky, idle it up, let it run good and warm for an hr. Watch it the whole time. Put it in the oil, too as he said. I have freed up a LOT of stuck valves with this method; on a straight 8 i worked on so many were stuck i could barely get it started.

Run MMO 4 oz per 10 gal all the time in all your old cars all the time. Today's fuel is highly polluted with corrosive substances such as alcohol

If you have other As then you prolly have the timing correct. Never hurts to double check with Marco's method, tho. (I have not seen the Utube)
Way too many As I see in my shop are timed late...almost every one.

Here is his link:
http://www.abarnyard.com/workshop/timing.htm

report back
 
I had "popping" in my engine too, but it was in number 3. It turned out to be the exhaust valve had worn to the point it wasn't sealing properly. The valve itself had been replaced sometime in the engines life, and was a different brand than the other seven. Also, this engine still had solid lifters, and the tappet to valve clearance on this valve was too tight (stem had not been ground to the proper clearance).

Just trying to give you options on things to check.
 
My Model A (T.S.) had the same thing. # 4 exh. valve was frozen solid. My coupe had a similar issue, just not as severe. Marvel's Mystery Oil helped clear it up, it took a while of just running it and detergent oil to clear it up. Now it runs fine.
Terry
 
If the compression is that good when cold, I would question whether burned or stuck valves is the problem here. It certainly wouldn't hurt to check that out, though. However, I'm also leaning more towards an exhaust leak of some kind. Besides checking the exhaust manifold gasket, the manifold itself may have developed a crack around back, where it's hard to see. This is quite common. They never seem to crack on the front side, where they're obvious. Since the car is new to you, there's no telling YET what problems there are with it in terms of inferior parts. This is no reflection upon the previous owner, but a lot of garbage parts from the 1970'-s through early 1990's have found their way onto our cars simply because the quality and availability of quality parts were not there until the larger vendors stepped in and helped straighten this out. It's very likely that the exhaust manifold clamp is a J.C. Whitney or Rick's Auto off-shore piece of junk that didn't fit properly from the git-go. Perhaps with the cheap-*ssed mufflers available until a few years ago with their very thin flanges, the cheaper clamp would work. But if the former owner installed an Aires muffler (doubtful) or new exhaust manifold (even more doubtful), these older clamps will NOT fit! The flanges on both the new mufflers and exhaust manifolds are closer to the original diameters and thicknesses, so the thinner older clamps can no longer hold the pieces together properly, resulting in leaks. I have had to replace such parts probably 5 times in the last two years on customers' cars after installing either a new muffler or manifold, or both. The newer clamps available from the vendors are much more substantial and do an excellent job of maintaining the fit and alignment of these parts.
To check, put a floor jack beneath the large swell of the muffler near where the pipe to the manifold comes out. Then remove the clamp. Back the pressure slightly off the floor jack so that the muffler flange can be properly positioned against the manifold flange. You may need to loosen the tailpipe clamp on the frame to do this. Once you're sure the pieces are sealed against each other, start the engine, without the clamp (that's why the floor jack is there). If there is still leakage and popping upon revving up the engine, try moving the pipe around on the manifold flange to find the "sweet spot" where it seals. If that doesn't work, I'd look for cracks in the manifold or a bad gasket. I would suspect that the popping is more pronounced when you back off acceleration, right? That's a sure indicator of an exhaust leak.
Before you remove the clamp to either test or replace it, ensure that the opening between the two halves is not directly facing the carburetor throat. If there is any leakage whatsoever at the muffler and manifold juncture, the exhaust will spit out under decompression and blow into the carb, causing popping. Loosen the clamp bolt nuts and rotate the clamp so that the opening between the two halves points as far away from the carburetor's throat as possible. That alone may solve the popping problem. But you'll still have to deal with what's causing the leak in the first place, which probably brings is back to the clamp or gasket. If you hear a ticking noise, it's most likely the exhaust manifold gasket. If it's more of a muffled roar, there's a crack in the manifold. Judge your actions accordingly.
By the way, should you remove the exhaust manifold to check for cracks, run a TRUE straight edge across the tops of the four ports. They must be in near perfect alignment. Most likely, #4 port will droop as much as 1/4" lower than the other three ports. That means it's warped. VERY common. There are ways of repairing it, but the jury is still out whether the manifold will retain the repaired position or droop again. With a droop in #4, it's almost impossible to get a good seal here. That will cause exhaust leak noise. You could use the heavy cardboard gaskets that are more forgiving of warped manifolds, but they tend to blow out fairly soon under such circumstances. The new exhaust manifolds are excellent and align perfectly with the gland rings and gaskets.
Well, this gives you plenty to check. Rest assured, the Model A didn't come from the factory with the symptoms you describe. There IS a problem and it CAN be fixed.
Marshall
 
Good news !!! After comparing the old rotor to the new one. The tab inside of the new rotor that aliens it on the dist. cam. was slightly off to the side compared to the old one. Put old rotor on and gap. it. Run fine. Old and new bases where the same. I do have a small exhaust leak from the gasket.(manifold to block). Thanks for all the help.
 
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