Elkpointe & Kawanee Green Paint

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Ed in Maine

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I want to thank those who did post information for my search for paint codes for these paints. I should hear from my PPG dealer shortly. When I did a search asking Model A Ford Kawanee Green I found many variations of this paint color. Everyone calls their paint Kawanee Green but they all can't be the same as what Ford furnished in 1930/1931.

On the website for the Long Island Model A Ford Club, there is an "Album" showing club member cars. Picture #8 of #19 is a 1931 Slant Windshield Cabriolet. In my opinion, it is a wonderful picture of the colors Kawanee and Elkpointe green. But, maybe this is not a close original representation of these colors and I am just chasing fake colors. I would like to hear opinions from you on how original these colors are.

If I find paint codes that I am satisfied with from PPG I will put them on Ford Barn. It would be nice to update the various color paint codes for the new urethane paint systems. Ed
 
Ed, I have stated this over and over both here and to my customers, that the ONLY benchmark that matters as far as authenticity is concerned is if your vehicle's color matches what is in the Paint & Refinish Manual. It truly matters not if it does not match what Ford originally produced, because in MAFCA competition, that color chip is the benchmark by which your color will be compared to. FWIW, when MAFCA came out with their 3rd Revision of the P&RG book, the MARC JSC did not adopt that revision. Therefore, unless it has been adopted within the past year or so by the MARC JSC, then because the Stds only state what the color is without showing the color, then there is a little wiggle room there for color variation when in MARC competition.
 
Brent, thank you for your comment. I do have the Model A Ford Paint & Finish Guide and in the case of Kawanee and Elkpointe colors, the chips are very dark with little difference between them. Maybe it is because the chips are so small. Some of the other colors are easier to make out. It is a shame that they aren't a bit bigger so that they could be scanned to match a color. Maybe I am looking for something that never existed. Thanks again for your help. Ed
 
I believe my car to be originally kewanee green. I made my paint my self from cheap paint shop options and mixed with colors I had. And missed the mark by miles. I am ok with that for now. Mine is no show car. I have seen it though. In my stripping process I found the origional paint. Your photo link did not work for me. I'll look around and give my opinion on what it should look like.
 
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I think this is what kewanee should look like.
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mafca seems to think similarly The sun makes it look a little lighter. https://www.mafca.com/tqa/p-31dtudor.html
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Ed,
I have painted a number of 30/31 with Elkpoint & Kewanee Green. I use a sherwin Williams 2nd dimension single stage. It is excellent and is a perfect match to the JSC paint & refinsh guide.

If you are interested in those codes under the sherwin williams 2nd dimension PM me and I will send them to you.
thanks,
Larry Shepard
 
Ed,

One issue you have with the Paint Manual is so many chips on a WHITE background.

Use a piece of black paper, cut out a square the size of the chip, place the paper over the chip.

You'll be surprised how different the chip looks. Try it.

JB
 
I had an Elkpoint / Kew. car painted in the early '70's in Ditzler orig.nitro lacquer, and by memory, the colors were very close together and subdued, more like in post 5 side view.
 
jb-ob said:
Ed,

One issue you have with the Paint Manual is so many chips on a WHITE background.

Use a piece of black paper, cut out a square the size of the chip, place the paper over the chip.

You'll be surprised how different the chip looks. Try it.

JB
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Totally agree.
I'm sure glad someone posted that tip many years ago, because I was also fooled by the white background.:eek:
I picked a light and dark green from a paint color chart to paint a steam engine I built. After getting the paint, I had to add a lot of black to darken the colors.
 
I have ben "told" that my Town Sedan in Kewanee Green and Elkpoint Green but it seems darker than other examples I have seen.
 

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larrys40 said:
Ed,
I have painted a number of 30/31 with Elkpoint & Kewanee Green. I use a sherwin Williams 2nd dimension single stage. It is excellent and is a perfect match to the JSC paint & refinsh guide.

If you are interested in those codes under the sherwin williams 2nd dimension PM me and I will send them to you.
thanks,
Larry Shepard
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I have seen Larry's Elkpoint and Kewanee on a Victoria and it is an exact match to the paint and refinish guide. Can someone post a picture of Elkpoint and Kewanee with black wheels? It appears the wheel colors trick my eye to the overall appearance of those colors.
 
This is our '30 Tudor in Elkpointe and Kewanee, it was painted about 1979 using Ditzler lacquer, from the paint code Ditzler had for these colors back then.
Looks a little different summer or winter also, differences in the lighting.
The single lady with the car is also a 1930 model.

Stew
 

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Also, a picture of a 1930 Town Sedan that was done in 1977, using the same colors. This car was my fathers, but he sold it in the early 80's. I have seen it a few times since. It was a MARC of Excellence winner at the Dearborn nationals in 1978. This picture was taken at the Oshkosh, Wisconsin nationals in 2012. The current owner has been enjoying the car, and I believe has over 100k miles on it. I've got a picture of it here somewhere from the Dearborn show, I'll see if I can find it.
 

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Here are two pictures of the same Lombard Blue paint chip. The one on the left has the white background from the paint chip book. The one on the right has a black background. Both were done in full sunshine. The camera did just what your eyes will do. That is to let in less light (close down the iris) when there is a bright background and open up when there is a dark background.

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Here's my '30 Coupe in Elkpointe & Kawanee green. While they are obviously not correct, I like the Elkpointe wheels.
 

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I noticed some of our cars have the Kewanee Green on top and some with the Elkhorn Green on top. Both look good to me but it got me to wondering, which way was/is 'correct'?? Or does it matter?

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Looks a little different summer or winter also, differences in the lighting.
Stew
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Mine definitely looks darker in the shade...
 

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