Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
As Tj suggested, the 37 & up box is a big improvement. You get a 17 to one ratio, as opposed to 15 to one, and a rolling sector to reduce the drag, or friction. All ford parts, and a bolt in with Drakes mount kit, or modify you mount. Lots of previous threads here if you look.
As Tj suggested, the 37 & up box is a big improvement. You get a 17 to one ratio, as opposed to 15 to one, and a rolling sector to reduce the drag, or friction. All ford parts, and a bolt in with Drakes mount kit, or modify you mount. Lots of previous threads here if you look.
V8COOPMAN
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
Using the '37-'39 allows the use of the steering wheel headlight switch just like in your '35, as the '39 was the last year to incorporate that feature.
Coop
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Using the '37-'39 allows the use of the steering wheel headlight switch just like in your '35, as the '39 was the last year to incorporate that feature.
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deuce lover
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
The '37 is an actual drop in as the locking collar is in same location.You will need to replace the frame bracket also.Make sure you get the 37-39 light switch bracket also.The 35 will not work.
The '37 is an actual drop in as the locking collar is in same location.You will need to replace the frame bracket also.Make sure you get the 37-39 light switch bracket also.The 35 will not work.
V8COOPMAN
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
Pictured below is a '39 box with the light switch assembly in place.
Here is the difference between your '35 frame mount bracket (left) and the later, '37 and onward bracket. The later brackets like you need show-up frequently in the SWAP MEET as well as on eBay.
Comparing the older '35 (on right) with the newer '37 - '39 unit.
DID YOU EVER get your Bendix Brakes installed on your car?
Coop
Pictured below is a '39 box with the light switch assembly in place.
Here is the difference between your '35 frame mount bracket (left) and the later, '37 and onward bracket. The later brackets like you need show-up frequently in the SWAP MEET as well as on eBay.
Comparing the older '35 (on right) with the newer '37 - '39 unit.
DID YOU EVER get your Bendix Brakes installed on your car?
Coop
Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
Might also check with Neal Jennings nhrp32@att.net Currently one of the best early Ford steering guys in the country.
Might also check with Neal Jennings nhrp32@att.net Currently one of the best early Ford steering guys in the country.
blucar
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
Anthony,,, You will need to change the '35 pitman arm.. I tried several pitmans on my '36 when I switched from a '36 box to a '40.. I ended up using a 21-A 3590-3 015 which I believe is '42 '48.
Most guys heat and bend their earlier pitmans to get the proper clearance and/or not having the pitman hanging down below the chassis. I did not like that idea.
I used a '40 gear box because I have a column shift trans and have changed the headlights to a pull switch with a floor mounted dimmer switch and a dash mounted starter button located on the left side of the dash adjacent to the headlight switch.
I put the dimmer switch between the brake/clutch peddles where the original floor mounted starter switch was located.
The lighting/starter/dimmer conversion make the '36 very user friendly and trouble free.
Anthony,,, You will need to change the '35 pitman arm.. I tried several pitmans on my '36 when I switched from a '36 box to a '40.. I ended up using a 21-A 3590-3 015 which I believe is '42 '48.
Most guys heat and bend their earlier pitmans to get the proper clearance and/or not having the pitman hanging down below the chassis. I did not like that idea.
I used a '40 gear box because I have a column shift trans and have changed the headlights to a pull switch with a floor mounted dimmer switch and a dash mounted starter button located on the left side of the dash adjacent to the headlight switch.
I put the dimmer switch between the brake/clutch peddles where the original floor mounted starter switch was located.
The lighting/starter/dimmer conversion make the '36 very user friendly and trouble free.
AnthonyG
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
DID YOU EVER get your Bendix Brakes installed on your car?
Coop
Hi Coop, I did get the Lincoln Bendix on the front & the Lockheed’s on rear! I definitely noticed the improved stopping immediately! I thought I sent a PM but probably just replied in orig thread thanking u for the valuable help!
Thx again!
I’m turning 74 & anything I can do to make her easier to drive ( strength & drivability) that’s obviously what this thread’s about! I Think I originLy had a post / thread on power steering when some of the guys said the ‘37-‘40 steering box conversion improved steering a lot!
DID YOU EVER get your Bendix Brakes installed on your car?
Coop
Hi Coop, I did get the Lincoln Bendix on the front & the Lockheed’s on rear! I definitely noticed the improved stopping immediately! I thought I sent a PM but probably just replied in orig thread thanking u for the valuable help!
Thx again!
I’m turning 74 & anything I can do to make her easier to drive ( strength & drivability) that’s obviously what this thread’s about! I Think I originLy had a post / thread on power steering when some of the guys said the ‘37-‘40 steering box conversion improved steering a lot!
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johndee138
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
http://www.goldengatev8.org/tips/SteeringGearSwap35-36/SteeringGearSwap.htm
http://www.goldengatev8.org/tips/SteeringGearSwap35-36/SteeringGearSwap.htm
V8COOPMAN
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
Anthony ..... When it comes time to swapping steering boxes, don't rule-out the Saginaw 525 steering box. They came in mid-size GM cars (and others) like Chevelles and Cutlasses. Millions of 'em out there and they were available with a choice of ratios, also. They are about the same size as a '37 - '48 Ford steering box, but have the feel of a modern-day steering gear, and are far less likely to be worn-out like an old Ford box could easily be. Your Pitman arm will even fit the "525". A typical "525" shown BELOW and they go into a '35 - '40 chassis quite nicely.
Coop
Anthony ..... When it comes time to swapping steering boxes, don't rule-out the Saginaw 525 steering box. They came in mid-size GM cars (and others) like Chevelles and Cutlasses. Millions of 'em out there and they were available with a choice of ratios, also. They are about the same size as a '37 - '48 Ford steering box, but have the feel of a modern-day steering gear, and are far less likely to be worn-out like an old Ford box could easily be. Your Pitman arm will even fit the "525". A typical "525" shown BELOW and they go into a '35 - '40 chassis quite nicely.
Coop
blucar
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
The GM 525 steering box is a neat little trick for use on many vintage vehicles. I have one in my '40 Buick Super, my brother has one in his '54 Chevy Belair 2 dr sdn.
The one thing you have to watch out for is the indexing portion of the spline, Most early cars do not have the wide rib that modern cars have. A little work with a TREMEL TOOL to remove a tooth within the spline on the pitman arm solves the problem.
The GM 525 steering box is a neat little trick for use on many vintage vehicles. I have one in my '40 Buick Super, my brother has one in his '54 Chevy Belair 2 dr sdn.
The one thing you have to watch out for is the indexing portion of the spline, Most early cars do not have the wide rib that modern cars have. A little work with a TREMEL TOOL to remove a tooth within the spline on the pitman arm solves the problem.
V8COOPMAN
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
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Anthony ...... It's even easier than I had remembered!
I just ran over to the H.A.M.B. and took a peek. There is an article documenting this swap into a '36 Ford.
The pictures below show a 525 box bolted onto the stock 1936 frame mount using an adapter plate that is available from "Pete & Jakes" as well as many others, I'm sure.
Coop
Click this link BELOW and scroll down to the 10th (TENTH) post for the whole story.
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/help-me-find-this-article.1263650/
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Anthony ...... It's even easier than I had remembered!
I just ran over to the H.A.M.B. and took a peek. There is an article documenting this swap into a '36 Ford.
The pictures below show a 525 box bolted onto the stock 1936 frame mount using an adapter plate that is available from "Pete & Jakes" as well as many others, I'm sure.
Coop
Click this link BELOW and scroll down to the 10th (TENTH) post for the whole story.
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/help-me-find-this-article.1263650/
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blucar
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
I like the '37-40 Ford steering gear swap because nothing changes in the car except the later frame mount.
I like improvement that are basically 'bolt-in'.
I almost put an SBC V8 in my '36 in the early '60's. We put one in my brothers '36 pickup, a 283, it was his every day driver to get to and from work and the engine was about dead.
I still have everything it takes to put an SBC into a Ford sitting on a shelf in my garage.
I like the '37-40 Ford steering gear swap because nothing changes in the car except the later frame mount.
I like improvement that are basically 'bolt-in'.
I almost put an SBC V8 in my '36 in the early '60's. We put one in my brothers '36 pickup, a 283, it was his every day driver to get to and from work and the engine was about dead.
I still have everything it takes to put an SBC into a Ford sitting on a shelf in my garage.
FlatheadTed
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
(37 to 40 Box ) I have done this swap several times but using the stock 35/36 bracket
if you take a measurement from the lower bolt on the later mount to the dash you will see the distance increases by about 12 mm or so .I have now changed mine from 37 to a 39 Mercury box , great for angle parking . Ted
(37 to 40 Box ) I have done this swap several times but using the stock 35/36 bracket
if you take a measurement from the lower bolt on the later mount to the dash you will see the distance increases by about 12 mm or so .I have now changed mine from 37 to a 39 Mercury box , great for angle parking . Ted
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FlatheadTed
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Re: Easier steering for ‘35 Tudor?
Yeah stay with the stock 35 mount and drill the box approx 10 mm lower on the top hole ,to cut the rivets and try and replace them to look professional is not easy
Yeah stay with the stock 35 mount and drill the box approx 10 mm lower on the top hole ,to cut the rivets and try and replace them to look professional is not easy