E15 warning from AAA

Good reminder to drain the sediment bulb just in case it has some water that can freeze and crack it. I've seen some cast iron cracked bulbs, and some with a lot of rust inside.
 
Keith True said:
I've never had any trouble with gas that I can attribute to ethanol,methanol yes,but not ethanol.I've been using it since 1980.It came to town marketed as gasahol.After a few months of us either complaining or praising it,we all seemed to forget about it.We just burned it.There do seem to be additives that must get overused at times,right out of the blue I will have rubber parts in some things turn to mush.All at once,and all in things I put fresh gas in.All in things I've been using ethanol in right along.I have an old gas pump that came from a little store near me.The owner had to install it in the early 50's for the coming need for leaded gas.He told me that the gas would go bad in the ground before he sold it.The old timers here thought it was downright foolish to be putting metal in gas.
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same here, been around for a good 20+ years here and must have been around even longer than that as my 1980 chevettes manual says its OK to run gasohal fuels as long as they arent over 10%. its all its ever seen with 34 year old + rubber fuel lines still and no issues. same with all our pushmowers, chain saws, outboards, etc

i just had to replace the fuel lines on our weedeater this year due to them getting hard and cracking off. not sure if fuel related or the fact thier 16 years old...
 
Heard a documentary on the radio within the last month on ethanol gas, e.g., concerning yesteryears & today, & never had time to check it out.

It was mentioned that Henry Ford first ran his Model T's on ethanol & he intended to have farmers provide fuel for his cars in lieu of the petroleum industry.

According to this documentary, Prohibition was soon passed after Ford's announcement with intense lobbying from John D. Rockefeller, i.e., to stop the use of ethanol for fuel & to only use instead, the petroleum fuel he was producing; hence, "selling" alcohol was against the law, but making alcohol for one's own consumption was not, as long as one did not try to "sell" it.

Sounded strange, but history also did record that our U. S. President's Administration had to warn & notify John D. to quit selling his fuel to the German Kaiser, our enemy, during WWI, through his oil holdings in Venezuela.

The real truth as to why things happen in life is always so amazing after Pandora's Box is opened.

I like 3X Model A spark plugs. LOL
 
H. L. Chauvin said:
Heard a documentary on the radio within the last month on ethanol gas, e.g., concerning yesteryears & today, & never had time to check it out.

It was mentioned that Henry Ford first ran his Model T's on ethanol & he intended to have farmers provide fuel for his cars in lieu of the petroleum industry.
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That could never happen because the first Model Ts had shellac coated cork floats in the carb' and when exposed to alcohol the shellac dissolves and the cork becomes heavier than the fuel so the car splutters and floods, then stops going.
 
Sad to hear of this especially in America the home of oil. The use of ethanol is most uncommon over here as yet. We have no corn farmers so would have to import the ethanol anyway I guess. But it will happen sooner or later.We have been un leaded since about 1987 and the petrol we do get works ok in old vehicles but its not the same as the real petrol that we got when I was a youngster. You can throw a match into this modern stuff and not much happens. Try that with some real Gasoline! As regards lead it first became available in your gas in 1923 and arrived here in 1933. Happy motoring.
 
dumb person said:
That could never happen because the first Model Ts had shellac coated cork floats in the carb' and when exposed to alcohol the shellac dissolves and the cork becomes heavier than the fuel so the car splutters and floods, then stops going.
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Ford experimented with alcohol - and also with "high efficiency" carburation for the Model T. But the impetus was more theoretical than actual since alcohol was more expensive than fuel oil (think Spindletop in the years before the Model T)

Sort of a "feel good" moment perhaps. Much as Rudolph Diesel envisioned running his engine on peanut oil.

Or our nation looking at Brazil as something to emulate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

Brazil’s 37-year-old ethanol fuel program is based on the most efficient agricultural technology for sugarcane cultivation in the world,[12] uses modern equipment and cheap sugar cane as feedstock, the residual cane-waste (bagasse) is used to produce heat and power, which results in a very competitive price and also in a high energy balance (output energy/input energy), which varies from 8.3 for average conditions to 10.2 for best practice production.[6][13] In 2010, the U.S. EPA designated Brazilian sugarcane ethanol as an advanced biofuel due to its 61% reduction of total life cyclegreenhouse gas emissions, including direct indirect land use change emissions.[14][15]
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I have bolded the emulation - and the mistake for us on the part of the EPA. Both in the energy balance of attempting to use corn as the alcohol feedstock AND the bogus environmental concern created in regulatory mission creep. (This year the American Great Lakes are running 8 degrees below normal for this time and place compared to average - oh but now the bogyman is climate change not global warming - targeted terminology better frames the desired perception?)

But alas. We're just not hungry enough.

Yet...

Joe K
 
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Having experience with gasohol since the mid seventies in north eastern Indiana, it did play hell with fuel lines and non-metallic floats but my biggest surprise was storage. At the time it was to top off the tank and put her away for the winter only to find a completely empty tank in the spring. The stuff dissolved any pot metal and ate holes in the aluminum gas tank! Since then storage is a bone dry tank and carb with any and everything else marine fogged. BTW this was not a model A but my dune buggy.
 
I fixed a couple of cars that were damaged by the fuel a few years ago.It was when it was first mandated,and they couldn't get enough ethanol,so they used methanol.THAT stuff was poison to old fuel systems.I saw the rubber it ate,but the big problem was brass and aluminum.I have some jars with old brass floats sitting in the bottom of them.The ones with the ethanol are a murky mess with the floats just sitting there,but the ones with the methanol gas just have this green goo that used to be brass.There are however,the rings of solder laying in the bottom.The fuel company rep that looked at the cars told me how to conduct my own experiments,They paid for the car repairs without question.I think the gas is junk,but for me,it is business as usual.Most of any fuel related work I do is getting things fired up after being parked for years.
 
oldredford said:
Here in SC we are lucky enough to have many gas stations offering pure gas but it cost the same as premium. I buy pure gas for all my cars even modern.
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Same here, and you get better fuel mileage that off sets the cost let alone your car runs better.

Of course (political drumroll;)) with Common Core being taught in our schools the kids are going to get even stupider than they are now, and for get about knowing how to figure better fuel mileage as opposed to the percentage of increase in initial product acquisition:(
 
BlueSunoco said:
... Of course (political drumroll;)) with Common Core being taught in our schools the kids are going to get even stupider than they are now...
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I was quite taken back a couple of weeks ago when a teenager had trouble making change for me.

Purchase was exactly $10.

I gave him a $20 bill. :rolleyes:
 
Not had a problem since getting our Vic in 1976.

Have always used MMO, been adding Marine StaBil and Aces for the last 15yrs.

Started using 91 E-free when it became available in our area last year. Although the octane isn't really needed, much better performance & drivability.

What goes around comes around......;)
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Here in OZ, E10 is available everywhere - right alongside proper fuel. About 1 E10 Bowser to 4 straight petroleum (and 2 LPG). Hope we never end up in your position.
 
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