E code Air cleaner housing

KULTULZ said:
Seems he never got back but if the round '57 8V cleaner, i stumbled across the attached photo showing a NAPA element. Not sure if still offered but the info may help someone else.
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Thats the one I am looking for, '57 Bird round air cleaner filter element.
 
KULTULZ said:
Seems he never got back but if the round '57 8V cleaner, i stumbled across the attached photo showing a NAPA element.

Not sure if still offered but the info may help someone else.
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slumlord44 said:
Thats the one I am looking for, '57 Bird round air cleaner filter element.
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Be careful here. There are two elements for the 57 ACL, one for FORD and the other for BIRD, the BIRD being not as tall.

The FORD PN's (to help cross-over) are within this thread.
 
KULTULZ said:
NEW REFERENCE FOUND

I came across the below article while carousing with my browser. Let the games and debates begin... :D

ARTICLE- http://ctcc9.blogspot.com/2013/02/e-code-engine.html
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Oldmics said:
What would you like to discuss about that article ?


Oldmics
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Hey Oldmics...

It is not what I want to discuss as I am fairly satisfied with all the info that has come to light.

I just found it interesting that FORD decided to empty it's HP parts bins due to the upcoming AMA ban and possibly others reactions to the article which seems to have drawn little interest.
 
Thought I would post up a picture of my latest (sorta) oval "E" Code air cleaner acquisition.


Pretty bizzarre !!!!!!!!!!!


Oldmics
 

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That is the first one of those I have seen, sort of a cross between the standard 2x4, and the oval one pretty interesting. sometimes I miss living in the lower 48 states, as there is almost nothing in the way of swap meets up here in Alaska. there is certainly not much of anything left in the way of old performance parts of any kind left that ever shows up for sale.
 
... duh ... :o

It finally dawned on me what you are saying about he 1st ACL. It appears to be an open element style, maybe made similar in appearance to the 57 BIRD 4V cleaner?. Who knew? I bet a few people would want the ($$$) for a detailed engine.

The 2nd you show is just the 57 early E-CODE ACL isn't it?
 
Old mics helped me do one, avatar..I used WCFB’s, they are a matching numbers set by the brass tag. They have been on 7 years and I use the car every weekend. 17 mpg on the road and 13 in town. Purolator decal is a repo from a guy doing them for AMC. I’ve only reset them twice with a unisyn. Been trouble free. The trans is a 62 Thunderbird Cruise-o-Matic.
 
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2080-S… 1952-53 Oldsmobile. 303” with similar compression ratio. A small home made throttle bracket allows the stock Ford linkage to fit. I made the progressive linkage using parts from an FE dual quad. No jetting/metering rod change was necessary. Yes I did try, it ran best as they were manufactured for the Olds..

A 1953 Cadillac WCFB very similar and even has a rear gasoline fitting so the stock Ford Holley 4000 gasoline line fits.
I first used a Cadillac when I replaced the loadmatic ignition with the 57-up centrifugal/vacuum unit on the stock 56 intake. The Cadillac was on a 331”

These are small base and needed a 3/8” phenolic insulator spacer since the fuel is in contact with the base on the manifold.
 
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OK, let me start this argument again ... :rolleyes:

MERC ordered fifty M260 prototype systems from EDELBROCK. EDEL used the WCFB 2361S 4V for whatever reason. This is the reason the carb spacing is so wide on the intake manifold, to fit the WCFB's. MERC came back and spec'd the H4000 for whatever reason.

This p!ssed EDEL off (because of design and production costs) and then continued casting that particular intake (ECZ-9424-C - CASTING ID) for the later - EDIT- MERC M260 8V H4000 install and also used the same casting (different casting ID) as the EDEL FM255.

I have documentation but for some reason when I post an ILL here it won't show large enough to read.

I think Bryan still has me on neighborhood watch ... :(

I bet oldmics is hitting the roof right now ... :D
 
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K…. Vic was very quick with his intakes for the new overhead valve V8’s and the use of the “new” 4 Barrel carbs….Your mentioning of the FM255 shows Vic had dual quad manifold out in 54 kinda specific to the 255 Merc rather than the 239 Ford. I’m betting quite a few 272 Fords got them put on in 55 let alone 292 Mercs and birds.
I seen photos of the 56 “Ford” DQ manifolds and Vic’s and they are different. The carb base position obviously and one works better with the 57 up ignition. I’m sure there are a few guys with FM255’s on 292/312’s and with some port matching you can get a little extra torque on the bottom end and yes loose some on the top.
Guys don’t race these engines anymore so I feel it’s mostly about looks and finding small base carbs so you don’t need adapters….
 
Kultulz,
Since oldmics has been banned from the barn, I'll bet he would be hitting the roof if he read your post, and I diasgree also.
Sounds like speulation and your opinion to me. The 2361 WCFB was a vacuum secondary carb used on some '56 Merc 312's as a single four barrel. If you have documentation of Ford or Merc using it on the '56 2x4 kits, I would love to see it.

Sal
 
I understand that the WCFB was only used on the Mercurys which were assembled at one plant near where the Carters were manufactured. I also understand that Carter had problems with the rear barrel activation that Ford wanted and was never used on the larger base carbs. I have a Lincoln WCFB that’s similar to the Mercury but has an aluminum base…Since I’ve never used either I don’t know if they work with the loadmatic ignition but I suspect they do. Ted Eaton wrote an article on how to use the Holley 4000 with the later 57-up ignition.
A question. Were the E code 57 engines loadmatic?
 
What you posted about the WCFB is correct. FORD had trouble with the secondary's.

1957 went to the DUAL ADVANCE DIST, using mechanical advance and ported manifold vacuum advance.

The 1956 M260 KIT called for a LOAD-O-MATIC DIST but it also had a dual chamber vacuum advance. I would think few racing teams would have used either. They were released for street duty. A fully mechanical advance DIST would have been used for race.

The 1956 MERC WCFB was only used (along w/ the H4000) on the two top (out of four) MERC 312 HP rated engines (4V).
 
Fairlane56 said:
I understand that the WCFB was only used on the Mercurys which were assembled at one plant near where the Carters were manufactured. I also understand that Carter had problems with the rear barrel activation that Ford wanted and was never used on the larger base carbs. I have a Lincoln WCFB that’s similar to the Mercury but has an aluminum base…Since I’ve never used either I don’t know if they work with the loadmatic ignition but I suspect they do. Ted Eaton wrote an article on how to use the Holley 4000 with the later 57-up ignition.
A question. Were the E code 57 engines loadmatic?
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Carter did make a large base AFB with vacuum secondaries in '57 and '58. In '57 it was used on some 312's. In '58 on some 352 FE's.
Also, the Lincoln small base WCFB you referred to was used on the 368 in '57 only and was made for a dual advance distributor. Not Loadomatic.

Sal
 
I understand that the WCFB was only used on the Mercurys which were assembled at one plant near where the Carters were manufactured.
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Well, that is another fallacy. The WCFB was used along with the HOLLEY on the last two 56 MERC HP ratings (M260 excluded).

One would have to either find a period TSB of the period or take each MERC that came through with a WCFB and determine the ASSY PLANT it came from.

It is easy to change a CARB style in the field but the cost of engineering each application had to have a reason.

I very seriously doubt that a plant manager would be allowed to have a special understanding with any supplier.

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