Drivers and Show cars

The "Must Have" parts don't matter in AACA judging. Original made in 1928-31 radiator hoses, fan belts, wire harness, tires, etc. Replace them with good reproduction parts a LeBarron Bonney upholstery kit, proper color paint job and collect your throphy and radiator plaque. An AACA winner looks like a winner except to MARC - MAFCA people. Bob
 
Someone who makes a living charging people to work on their car should know it takes more than "talent and dedication" to build a show car. Ron W
 
I have 234 miles on my high point A. It was retired from showing after 1 MAFCA and 1 MARC National Meet to make it my driver. On the first overnight tour I lost a generator which was replaced with a spare THEN 20 miles from home I lost a rod and got trailered the rest of the way. Very Embarrassing!!!!! :mad:
 
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I have seen a lot of past aaca senior winners that took a beating since winning and I mean terribly taken care of.

And i didn't see no stinkin ants
 
Mike there is a real fallacy or misconception that it takes huge amounts of cash to restore a fine-point car. Instead, it honestly takes something called talent and dedication.

Try to find the parts for a late 31 Victoria! Just the hardware for the drivers seat is $300.00 Never mind the wood.

How much for a dome light and switch with plate, another 300.00?

How much for a proper interior, none of the "big guys" have the correct kit, 3000-4000?

Maybe we have a different definition of "huge amounts of cash". :rolleyes:
 
Well, I'm blessed to have a reasonably original, plain old common '29 5 window coupe, that shines well, new tires, new engine, etc. & it's this l--l close to driving:D (Still waitin' for my G-FORCE racin' shoes to arrive!) Bill W.:D
 
In 1984 I DROVE my newly (two years) restored 1928 Phaeton 400 miles to Portland, Oregon for the MAFCA NATIONAL MEET. The drive encountered rain, dirt roads, roads being paved, salty winds of the Oregon coast line, on-coming gravel trucks, etc. , plus all the normal 'wear and tear' of actually DRIVING the car 400 miles.

I had entered my car in fine-point Blue Ribbon judging. As I was also a Judge at the meet, I had no time to do any 'clean up' other than a quick wash job. After the judging was completed, I discovered that in my rush to get to my Judging Station, I had not taken off the rubber brake/clutch pads (covering my NOS pedals), had forgotten to leave my original ignition key in the ignition switch, properly 'tune' my original Champion XXX spark plugs, and a host of other 'point-loss' items. And too, of course the car's paint did suffer from some road hazards of the 400 mile drive.

All the same, even with all my short-comings, the car won a FIRST PLACE in fine-point Blue Ribbon judging. However, I have noticed that my driving the car a long distance to be judged, is a rarity - and there are points to be lost in doing so. Still, it can be done.

I had owned and driven the car for twenty years before it was restored in 1981, and still own and drive it regularly these thirty years after the 1984 MAFCA Portland Meet. So, while it was restored to be authentic and accurate as a 'factory' car, it always was, and still is, just a 'Driver'.
 
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Brent in Tennessee - Who is this Marco Roadster guy you are referring to, and what part does he and his car play in your discussion ?

Look in the front of the restoration and judging book and you will see his name as one of those that literally wrote the book on what is correct in the Model A. Here is his web site.

As Brent said he drives his roadster all the time and it still could score high if it were to be judged.

http://www.abarnyard.com/
 
All of our cars are what I call "nice drivers," we drive them all as much as we can, but I also like keeping them as original as possible and in "Touring Class" shape. Two have been in Touring Class judging at MARC meets mainly for me to find out what I need to focus on for sprucing them up a bit.
 
I have 3 drivers and I am working on a fine point restoration now. The fine point journey has been one of the most fun, rewarding, challenges that I have done in the Model A hobby. I have met and worked with some of the most helpful in our Model A world. My conquest will be completed in a about two years (I hope).
 
Mine is a driver. Even though it took 3rd place in a local show once this past year, it would probably be laughed out of any of the big-gun shows down south.

I do drive it to work every day though. And love it!
 
I have admiration and respect for anyone who puts in the effort and time plus has the knowledge and skill to do a high points car. my car is far from a high points car , but it,s a lot of fun and gets full marks every time it gets me there and back home safe.. Enjoy your car anyway you like it's all about having fun.
 
Look in the front of the restoration and judging book and you will see his name as one of those that literally wrote the book on what is correct in the Model A. Here is his web site.

As Brent said he drives his roadster all the time and it still could score high if it were to be judged.

http://www.abarnyard.com/
I met Marco at the NCRG Roundup in Pleasanton this year. His roadster is amazing. Hard to believe its was restored so long ago. It still looks very "fresh". He's a very nice guy with tons of knowledge and a sweet roadster!:)
 
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My car is obviously a driver. But all cars are drivers...that's what they were made to do. If I had a fine point car, I would still drive the wheels off of it.

I don't ever see myself going the fine point route because I know I don't have the attention to details like having all the screws turned the same way and all the cotter pins having the same finish. I applaud anybody who wishes to go this route as it takes so much more time, but it's not for everyone.
 
I met Marco at the NCRG Roundup in Pleasanton this year. His roadster is amazing. Hard to believe its was restored so long ago. It still looks very "fresh". He's a very nice guy with tons of knowledge and a sweet roadster!:)


Yes, Marco is a great person, and his roadster is breathtaking. I have ridden in his roadster, and although our trip was only to try and meet up with a friend, the trip was memorable- The opportunity to hear and feel what a "brand new" Model A sounds like was quite eye opening.

Marco has also been extremely helpful and is very generous with his time and expertise. I have been busy converting my Tudor from a mere "high-end driver" to something much more. Would be very difficult to do if not for his help recently.
 
Hey Mitch: your post:
"I would get tossed out of and probably laughed at in fine point but feel I can win a senior in aaca." is a common comment, and, I for one, feel badly that it is reaccuring comment. I have been restoring Model A cars and components for about 12-13 years, and admittedly, my personal efforts have been directed towards the fine poing area, but it was just my preference at the time. My wife and I will now be entering her pickup that we built in the touring class judging.

My point here is just to offer my experiences here. I have never in those 13 years heard a judge laugh at any entry and no car would be turned away if it passes the 14 point primary judging. If I recall correctly the same preliminary 14 point judging is the same for both the touring class and fine point.

There seems to be a point where folks seem to think that they need to choose a 'side' in the touring class versus the fine point class. Rather than picking a side, we should be JOINTLY choosing a direction, and that is the restoration and maintenance of the Model A's. Because of my restoration work, the bulk of my customers are driver car owners, and each of them has been a dedicated restorer and I have learned an enormous amount from them.

Some of the more interesting cars that I have seen in fine point were some original cars that were exciting to look at in their condition. I would also like to see some of the very nicely restored cars from the drivers class enter fine point judging arena, as some of them are really nice looking cars. It would just seem appropriate to somehow have an easy transition from one class to another and maybe even in both directions. It also seems to be a shame that so much knowledge is avoided by a minimal fear of the unknown.

Some of you have heard me state this before, but the most fun is in the travel, not the destination. When I was in Winston Cup Stock Car racing, if you were able to get a car number assigned to you, you were one of only 99 people in the world that could enter a car in a race. If you did a good enough job to be able to qualify for the race, you were one of only 43 guys in the world that were able to accomplish that feat on that particular day, but when the flagged dropped you had no idea if you were going to blow your motor, crash the car, win or take a friend to the hospital, but: YOU WERE THERE! ON THAT DAY, YOU DID IT! The comraderie among entrants and the knowing look in each others eyes can never be taken away.

That's how I feel about taking a car to judging, either in the touring class or in fine point. You should be proud that you were capable on that day, in that place, of presenting a car, and that makes you one of only 15-20 f/p or 40-50 t/c people in the world that made that accomplishment. When the judging doors close, that is like the waving of the green flag. Don't spend as much time worrying so much about how you finish, just sit back and enjoy the fact that you are one of the few folks in the entire world that had the courage to start and the dedication to finish the 'journey'.

Just driving is fun too!
 
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