Dan Smithwick
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Is the 29 closed cab pickup door the same as the 29 sedan delivery ?
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Joe K
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I'm thinking not.
Of course the 82A Door is the 26-27 Model T door held over.
Body Parts List gives:
A-79943-AR as the door glass for 82A
A-45958-A as the door glass for 82B
A-45958-A as the door glass for 130A AND 130B (30-31 version)
There is a distinct difference in the glass size between the 28-29 82A truck body, and the coupes for that same year. (Service Bulletins p. 250)
The A-45958-A was actually used in the Standard Coupe 1928-29 (Body 45A) Safe to say the 130A was the same door as the Standard Coupe 45A.
30-31 (Body 45B) used A-45958-B. It may have been the same glass with a "B" subscript simply for stocking.
It is plain that Ford was "transitioning" to the later body style. The "nose" (Cowl) on the 150A Station wagon is obviously the same nose used on the 82A Pickup - the doors changed to the 150A wood version with a wooden strip "outboard" of the door post to "square-up" the body for the wooden exterior.
This would be yet another case where open Internet access to the Microfiche at the MAFFI museum could aid the hobby. Not sure on dimensions? Look it up!
Sorry, I overstate. MAFFI does not have the Microfiche, they only maintain the "Index" of Ford drawings on their website. There is not even a guarantee a physical Microfiche exists for the Index entry.
Pet peeve. Sorry.
Joe K
Of course the 82A Door is the 26-27 Model T door held over.
Body Parts List gives:
A-79943-AR as the door glass for 82A
A-45958-A as the door glass for 82B
A-45958-A as the door glass for 130A AND 130B (30-31 version)
There is a distinct difference in the glass size between the 28-29 82A truck body, and the coupes for that same year. (Service Bulletins p. 250)
The A-45958-A was actually used in the Standard Coupe 1928-29 (Body 45A) Safe to say the 130A was the same door as the Standard Coupe 45A.
30-31 (Body 45B) used A-45958-B. It may have been the same glass with a "B" subscript simply for stocking.
It is plain that Ford was "transitioning" to the later body style. The "nose" (Cowl) on the 150A Station wagon is obviously the same nose used on the 82A Pickup - the doors changed to the 150A wood version with a wooden strip "outboard" of the door post to "square-up" the body for the wooden exterior.
This would be yet another case where open Internet access to the Microfiche at the MAFFI museum could aid the hobby. Not sure on dimensions? Look it up!
Sorry, I overstate. MAFFI does not have the Microfiche, they only maintain the "Index" of Ford drawings on their website. There is not even a guarantee a physical Microfiche exists for the Index entry.
Pet peeve. Sorry.
Joe K
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From the front doors forward and underneath, everything is same as '29 Tudor.
Rear body from the belt molding down is '29 Tudor.
While the upper rear body is the same length, the advertising panel is longer than the Tudor rear window. Same reason the Delivery side rain gutters are longer than a '29 Tudor.
Hope this helps with your project. jb
Rear body from the belt molding down is '29 Tudor.
While the upper rear body is the same length, the advertising panel is longer than the Tudor rear window. Same reason the Delivery side rain gutters are longer than a '29 Tudor.
Hope this helps with your project. jb
Joe K
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Now if you want to talk on the 1928-29 PANEL DELIVERY (i.e. 79A) - that again is the same front end as the 82A CC pickup cab. It shares the A-79943-AR glass with 82A
And - it shares the door pattern. The kissin-cousin anyway.
There currently is a driver door for sale in CLASSIFIED which is from the 79A Panel Delivery. There is a difference between this door and the 82A door in that the interior layout of the 79A Panel Truck is a bit "roomier" than the 82A Cab, and the mounting position of the door window crank has been moved "back" around four inches. There also seems to be a difference in the door lock area - or the door in Classifieds has been cut.
I write this in some trepidation since I'm currently in need of a "drivers side door" for the 82A - and this door COULD be used. But rather than butcher a door to make it apply to the 82A its probably better to get the right thing, and leave this door for someone who needs it for purpose.
As has been explained to me - the 82A is a FARM TRUCK cab - and when the farmer driving it got hot, he punched out the hinge pins and left the door on the stone wall - and forgot about it.
Somewhere there are a line of stone walls, each one with the remains of an 82A driver door on it.
Joe K
And - it shares the door pattern. The kissin-cousin anyway.
There currently is a driver door for sale in CLASSIFIED which is from the 79A Panel Delivery. There is a difference between this door and the 82A door in that the interior layout of the 79A Panel Truck is a bit "roomier" than the 82A Cab, and the mounting position of the door window crank has been moved "back" around four inches. There also seems to be a difference in the door lock area - or the door in Classifieds has been cut.
I write this in some trepidation since I'm currently in need of a "drivers side door" for the 82A - and this door COULD be used. But rather than butcher a door to make it apply to the 82A its probably better to get the right thing, and leave this door for someone who needs it for purpose.
As has been explained to me - the 82A is a FARM TRUCK cab - and when the farmer driving it got hot, he punched out the hinge pins and left the door on the stone wall - and forgot about it.
Somewhere there are a line of stone walls, each one with the remains of an 82A driver door on it.
Joe K
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Chris Haynes
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'28- Early 1930 truck doors are the same as '26/'27 Model T coupe.
Joe K
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'26/'27 Model T coupe AND Tudor.
At least that's what I'm getting online (still) since my reply to a similar query in 2014.
There may be a difference in the "landing spot" for the window crank on the Tudor. Again, similar to the 79A Panel Delivery, there may have been more room in the Model T Tudor and Ford would look to make the layout more "user friendly."
Not seeing any pix of the inside of Model T doors online. There is one for a Four Door Model T on Ebay right now which shows the "round" landing place for a window crank - similar to the 79A door currently in classified (which is definitely the 82A type door). But there is no mistaking the "narrower" Model T Four-Door from others of its year.
Joe K
At least that's what I'm getting online (still) since my reply to a similar query in 2014.
There may be a difference in the "landing spot" for the window crank on the Tudor. Again, similar to the 79A Panel Delivery, there may have been more room in the Model T Tudor and Ford would look to make the layout more "user friendly."
Not seeing any pix of the inside of Model T doors online. There is one for a Four Door Model T on Ebay right now which shows the "round" landing place for a window crank - similar to the 79A door currently in classified (which is definitely the 82A type door). But there is no mistaking the "narrower" Model T Four-Door from others of its year.
Joe K
Joe K
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A site dedicated to the Model T shows the interior of the '27 Tudor door. This shows the window crank "closer" to the front door pillar - along the lines of the 82A truck door.
https://www.volocars.com/vehicles/15676/1927-ford-model-t-tudor
So yes - Model T Coupe OR Tudor use the same door - which is the same as the Model A 82A door.
There may be differences in the hinges. Many sellers on Ebay picture a 26-27 Model T hinge that is "three knuckle" which is different than the Model A 82A hinge which is "single knuckle."
Sellers on Ebay MAY be referring to an open car Model T hinge.
Joe K
https://www.volocars.com/vehicles/15676/1927-ford-model-t-tudor
So yes - Model T Coupe OR Tudor use the same door - which is the same as the Model A 82A door.
There may be differences in the hinges. Many sellers on Ebay picture a 26-27 Model T hinge that is "three knuckle" which is different than the Model A 82A hinge which is "single knuckle."
Sellers on Ebay MAY be referring to an open car Model T hinge.
Joe K
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