Door hinge screws

Vin-tin

Vin-tin

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Something's been bugging me for awhile now and I just have to ask.

Why do I see some 1930-31 A's with cupped washers under the hinge screw heads, and others of the same years have no washers?
Are they suppose to be there?

The picture is of someone's mid 1930 truck that I found online.
 

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from what i see originally they were there...
the suppliers sell the cupped star washers and screws if needed...
 
I have always taken the "Parts Price List" as a definitive guide on fasteners.

Most every "function" on the car is covered in a section. Body screws around sheetmetal area, door lock screws around door handles sort of thing. Look a line or two away from the part you are trying to fasten and you'll find the screws - and washers - necessary for the mounting of that particular part.

Also the "finish code" for the part - a lot of replacement screws sold by the vendors are not done in the original finishes.

Those cone headed washers didn't used to be available - at least not for the 82A closed cab pickup door parts.

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Joe K
 
Mitch//pa said:
from what i see originally they were there...
the suppliers sell the cupped star washers and screws if needed...
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The reason I ask is because I ordered a set from Brattons for my mid 1930 pickup.
The screws and star washers you mention work and fit nice and flush when tight. But there's a 3/4" diameter solid cup washer that came along too. That's the one I'm wondering about. You can see them in the picture I posted. If I use this solid washer, it sticks out about 1/16th of an inch and looks "wrong". There isn't enough countersink in the screw hole for the "cupped" part to go.
My 1930 Tudor doesn't have these big solid washers, only the screw and star washer. My Tudor has never been restored and is pretty much original in that regard.

Joe and Tom, I have many books, but that is one I don't have...yet.

I'm still confused as to what's going on.
 
I think what is going on is the typical "quality" issue.

More than likely the original cone lockwashers are no longer made - so the parts vendors have been forced to try to "match" from similar commonly available fasteners.

IIRC, I have some the same problem with screws for attaching the hinges to the pillars and sides of the 82A door. I can't remember the issue exactly, but it had to do with the head of the fastener being "offsized" from what is currently available in that thread pattern.

The "fit" just isn't right.

I don't know the solution to your cone lock-washer. Possibly modification using a Dremel or other small grinding tool? The LWs are very likely high carbon spring steel, which will be easily ground - but to do it presentably and evading detection of purists will be your challenge.

A coat of paint can hide a multitude of sins - of course.

Joe K
 
Joe K said:
I have always taken the "Parts Price List" as a definitive guide on fasteners.

Most every "function" on the car is covered in a section. Body screws around sheetmetal area, door lock screws around door handles sort of thing. Look a line or two away from the part you are trying to fasten and you'll find the screws - and washers - necessary for the mounting of that particular part.

Also the "finish code" for the part - a lot of replacement screws sold by the vendors are not done in the original finishes.

Those cone headed washers didn't used to be available - at least not for the 82A closed cab pickup door parts.

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Joe K
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Unfortunately there is no such book that covers body related nut's, bolts, screws, etc. Some can be found in later Ford Standard Hardware books.

I don't have an answer as to which bodies and when the cup washers were used. I've seen quite a mix over the decades.
 
Here are the ones I ordered from Brattons. Part#32320
Also, here's pictures of my actual problem and the reason why I'm confused.
One picture shows just using the star lock washer and screw. The other using everything.:confused:
I'm starting to think the large washers were rejects and not formed correctly. It looks as though the outside edge should be rolled over and it's not.
 

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Those cupped washers look like the floor board washers and I think they are larger than the original hinge washers. I wouls use the star washers and finish your car unless you are going for fine piont.
 
My 31 S/W Town Sedan has the cupped washers. The rims of the new ones did not fit as in your picture so I tapped them down with a hammer and they looked fine.
 
I didn't use the large washers and the doors are still on and the screws tight after ten years of hard driving:D

Sewall Tyler
 
Based on all the original cars I have owned and worked on, generally it has been my observation that the 1931 closed cars had the large countersunk washers, and most 1930 closed cars did NOT have those washers.
 
SteveB31 said:
Based on all the original cars I have owned and worked on, generally it has been my observation that the 1931 closed cars had the large countersunk washers, and most 1930 closed cars did NOT have those washers.
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Steve,
Ok. Based on what you and most guys are saying, sounds like ford made the switch sometime in 1930. That makes sense because my 1931 coupe body has them, none of my others do.
It's kind of misleading the way Brattons advertises them.

This truck definitely is not going for fine points.
A previous owner of the cowl I'm using, used a torch to melt-out the hinge screws in order to remove them. I had to do some repair work and i figured the washers would "hide" some of the blemishes and save me some work.
 
Vin-tin said:
A previous owner of the cowl I'm using, used a torch to melt-out the hinge screws in order to remove them. I had to do some repair work and i figured the washers would "hide" some of the blemishes and save me some work.
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If you're following my other thread titled 1930 CCPU cab re-assembly you can see what I did to fix the cowl.
 
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